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I hope when all the software and entrepreneurial people on this forum are going through hard times instead of good as we are now we are not judged as harshly as

by taurath 11y ago

I hope when all the software and entrepreneurial people on this forum are going through hard times instead of good as we are now we are not judged as harshly as you judge those going through harder times now.

sangnoir 11y ago
> I hope when all the software and entrepreneurial people on this forum are going through hard times instead of good as we are now we are not judged as harshly as you judge those going through harder times now While the tone is harsh - he has a point on voting against their own interests. I think a similar argument for developer is already being made on HN, concerning taking a pay cut in exchange of worthless common stock. I see no need to sugar-coat calling out poor decision making in any sphere.
- vinceguidry 11y ago
  > I see no need to sugar-coat calling out poor decision making in any sphere. You can't help someone who consistently acts against their own best interests. At least, not the way you want to help them. All you can do is try to be understanding and work to keep the worst outcomes from happening. We want a policy solution? We could fund more soup kitchens. We help the poor with government programs because the poor are desperate enough to actually use the programs. What are you going to do for the middle class? They're entirely too proud for handouts, but that's really the only thing government can do. They won't even go to church, the quintessential middle-class charity.
  - tim333 11y ago
    >policy solution? You could always look to the rest of the developed world which doesn't seem to have quite the same issues
eli_gottlieb 11y ago
I think software types deserve harsher judgement: everyone in the software industry seems to be incredibly proud of their go-it-alone, I'm-a-rational-actor-in-a-global-market, I'm-too-skilled-to-become-unemployed delusions.
vinceguidry 11y ago
Every now and again someone falls on hard times and posts in the forum asking for assistance. Last time I remember this happening, the guy asked for short-term contracts rather than handouts. I'm not the richest guy in the world, but I offered one to him, I would have put the fee on a credit card. He never responded to my inquiry. I imagine he was flooded with better offers, I'll admit mine wasn't the greatest. The thread was filled with well-wishes and good advice. The community here are among the most understanding and generous people I've ever met, even amongst other devs. I'm sorry, but the people I'm referring to, would not know what to do with that kind of generosity if it was offered to them on a plate. I know these people well, I sympathize with them at the bar, I send them money when they're in jail, and again when they get out. They want self-respect but are too hard-headed to actually work well with others. You have to check your tendency to give because it's like pouring money down the drain. A homeless guy is happy with $20. The American "middle" class wouldn't be satisfied with thousands.
kamaal 11y ago
>>software and entrepreneurial people on this forum are going through hard times instead of good as we are now we are not judged as harshly as you judge those going through harder times now. If all the software guys going through a party now, make the same mistakes they will end up with the same problems. I'm not sure what this is considered harsh. You end up the consequences of your actions, is this concept really that hard to understand?
- taurath 11y ago
  Sometimes the ground shakes from under everyone at once, and no amount of planning, advice or even clear-minded thought can prevent disaster. Its called life, and sometimes its hard. Some people deal with it better than others, but its hard for ANYONE to give up all that they know. Some people have obligations they can't give up without going against their hard-earned principles. We need to create dignified, repeatable and reasonable paths out of misery for those people. Right now, I don't see many that exist. Those who peddle and profit off of peoples resentment and fear are reigning over them, but I don't see many people offering alternatives.

by taurath 11y ago

sangnoir 11y ago

> I hope when all the software and entrepreneurial people on this forum are going through hard times instead of good as we are now we are not judged as harshly as you judge those going through harder times now While the tone is harsh - he has a point on voting against their own interests. I think a similar argument for developer is already being made on HN, concerning taking a pay cut in exchange of worthless common stock. I see no need to sugar-coat calling out poor decision making in any sphere.

vinceguidry 11y ago
> I see no need to sugar-coat calling out poor decision making in any sphere. You can't help someone who consistently acts against their own best interests. At least, not the way you want to help them. All you can do is try to be understanding and work to keep the worst outcomes from happening. We want a policy solution? We could fund more soup kitchens. We help the poor with government programs because the poor are desperate enough to actually use the programs. What are you going to do for the middle class? They're entirely too proud for handouts, but that's really the only thing government can do. They won't even go to church, the quintessential middle-class charity.
- tim333 11y ago
  >policy solution? You could always look to the rest of the developed world which doesn't seem to have quite the same issues

eli_gottlieb 11y ago

I think software types deserve harsher judgement: everyone in the software industry seems to be incredibly proud of their go-it-alone, I'm-a-rational-actor-in-a-global-market, I'm-too-skilled-to-become-unemployed delusions.

vinceguidry 11y ago

Every now and again someone falls on hard times and posts in the forum asking for assistance. Last time I remember this happening, the guy asked for short-term contracts rather than handouts. I'm not the richest guy in the world, but I offered one to him, I would have put the fee on a credit card. He never responded to my inquiry. I imagine he was flooded with better offers, I'll admit mine wasn't the greatest. The thread was filled with well-wishes and good advice. The community here are among the most understanding and generous people I've ever met, even amongst other devs. I'm sorry, but the people I'm referring to, would not know what to do with that kind of generosity if it was offered to them on a plate. I know these people well, I sympathize with them at the bar, I send them money when they're in jail, and again when they get out. They want self-respect but are too hard-headed to actually work well with others. You have to check your tendency to give because it's like pouring money down the drain. A homeless guy is happy with $20. The American "middle" class wouldn't be satisfied with thousands.

kamaal 11y ago

>>software and entrepreneurial people on this forum are going through hard times instead of good as we are now we are not judged as harshly as you judge those going through harder times now. If all the software guys going through a party now, make the same mistakes they will end up with the same problems. I'm not sure what this is considered harsh. You end up the consequences of your actions, is this concept really that hard to understand?

taurath 11y ago
Sometimes the ground shakes from under everyone at once, and no amount of planning, advice or even clear-minded thought can prevent disaster. Its called life, and sometimes its hard. Some people deal with it better than others, but its hard for ANYONE to give up all that they know. Some people have obligations they can't give up without going against their hard-earned principles. We need to create dignified, repeatable and reasonable paths out of misery for those people. Right now, I don't see many that exist. Those who peddle and profit off of peoples resentment and fear are reigning over them, but I don't see many people offering alternatives.