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Not only that, but where is the fight for gender parity in coal mining or logging? I'm not saying that gender parity in tech is not a worthy goal. Just pointi

Not only that, but where is the fight for gender parity in coal mining or logging? I'm not saying that gender parity in tech is not a worthy goal. Just pointing out that there are a lot of fields with skewed gender parity that there's not a push for equality in.

mhurron 11y ago
> Just pointing out that there are a lot of fields with skewed gender parity that there's not a push for equality in. So? Other than to attempt to muddy the conversation, what benefit is there to mentioning it? Unless everyone at once gets up to right the world, no one should?
- cuckcuckspruce 11y ago
  >Other than to attempt to muddy the conversation Thank you for your charitable interpretation of my statement. I look forward to you having an open mind when entering a discussion of gender equality in the future./s Unsarcastically, I think it's disingenuous that you would presume to know the intent of my statement and therefore can project whatever intent you wish into it. >what benefit is there to mentioning it? The point of mentioning it is that there are some fields that there is a push for gender parity into and others that are not. If we want gender parity in some fields but not others then we need to understand what makes the fields where parity is sought different from fields where parity is not sought. Perhaps we can learn something about these fields that would make achieving gender equality easier. > Unless everyone at once gets up to right the world, no one should? Again, this is what happens when you assume intent and project malice into that intent.
  - smadge 11y ago
    > The point of mentioning it is that there are some fields that there is a push for gender parity into and others that are not I think the main point of the article isn't gender parity, but equal treatment in the workplace. The focus of the article wasn't about increasing women participation in tech, but stopping gender discrimination in the workplace.
mikestew 11y ago
Not only that, but where is the fight for gender parity in coal mining or logging? How do you know that there isn't a fight for parity in those industries? I wouldn't have the first clue, because I don't give a rat's ass. What I do care about, and can influence, is what goes on in the industry in which I work. A weak effort at derailing the conversation. I'll give it a "2.5".
- MajorLOL 11y ago
  Your answer to a legitimate question; >I don't give a rats ass about it. I don't have much influence in it. I can't know for certain if X exists or not. I assume you don't vote either, for the same reasons you listed.
kyllo 11y ago
It's not an appropriate comparison. Mining and logging are extremely dangerous, hard physical labor. Computer programming is at the complete opposite end of the safety spectrum, the biggest health risks being RSI from typing and other chronic issues from prolonged sitting, and there are effective countermeasures against both of these risks. There is no valid reason why more women should not be able to do it.
- cuckcuckspruce 11y ago
  >Mining and logging are extremely dangerous, hard physical labor. Okay, and? There are pushes for parity (or at least more inclusion) of women and men in firefighting, policing, and combat roles in the military, all of which are extremely dangerous, hard, physical labor. The issue here is that technology is one of the few fields where the fight for the parity in gender is focused. I don't have a problem with that, gender equality is a good thing. Understanding why technology is a focus and different from mining and logging might help us understand and discover ways to bring about that gender parity.
  - 15charlimit 11y ago
    >There are pushes for parity (or at least more inclusion) of women and men in firefighting, policing, and combat roles in the military, all of which are extremely dangerous, hard, physical labor. There are pushes for relaxing restrictions on women attempting to make a statement by forcing their way into said extremely dangerous, hard, physical labor roles without stopping to consider the real-world repercussions of said relaxed restrictions. FTFY
    - marssaxman 11y ago
      Some people are drawn to activities which are dangerous, hard, and/or physical, whether those activities are intended for fun or profit. Why do you imagine that none of these people would ever be women?

mhurron 11y ago

> Just pointing out that there are a lot of fields with skewed gender parity that there's not a push for equality in. So? Other than to attempt to muddy the conversation, what benefit is there to mentioning it? Unless everyone at once gets up to right the world, no one should?

cuckcuckspruce 11y ago
>Other than to attempt to muddy the conversation Thank you for your charitable interpretation of my statement. I look forward to you having an open mind when entering a discussion of gender equality in the future./s Unsarcastically, I think it's disingenuous that you would presume to know the intent of my statement and therefore can project whatever intent you wish into it. >what benefit is there to mentioning it? The point of mentioning it is that there are some fields that there is a push for gender parity into and others that are not. If we want gender parity in some fields but not others then we need to understand what makes the fields where parity is sought different from fields where parity is not sought. Perhaps we can learn something about these fields that would make achieving gender equality easier. > Unless everyone at once gets up to right the world, no one should? Again, this is what happens when you assume intent and project malice into that intent.
- smadge 11y ago
  > The point of mentioning it is that there are some fields that there is a push for gender parity into and others that are not I think the main point of the article isn't gender parity, but equal treatment in the workplace. The focus of the article wasn't about increasing women participation in tech, but stopping gender discrimination in the workplace.

mikestew 11y ago

Not only that, but where is the fight for gender parity in coal mining or logging? How do you know that there isn't a fight for parity in those industries? I wouldn't have the first clue, because I don't give a rat's ass. What I do care about, and can influence, is what goes on in the industry in which I work. A weak effort at derailing the conversation. I'll give it a "2.5".

MajorLOL 11y ago
Your answer to a legitimate question; >I don't give a rats ass about it. I don't have much influence in it. I can't know for certain if X exists or not. I assume you don't vote either, for the same reasons you listed.

kyllo 11y ago

It's not an appropriate comparison. Mining and logging are extremely dangerous, hard physical labor. Computer programming is at the complete opposite end of the safety spectrum, the biggest health risks being RSI from typing and other chronic issues from prolonged sitting, and there are effective countermeasures against both of these risks. There is no valid reason why more women should not be able to do it.

cuckcuckspruce 11y ago
>Mining and logging are extremely dangerous, hard physical labor. Okay, and? There are pushes for parity (or at least more inclusion) of women and men in firefighting, policing, and combat roles in the military, all of which are extremely dangerous, hard, physical labor. The issue here is that technology is one of the few fields where the fight for the parity in gender is focused. I don't have a problem with that, gender equality is a good thing. Understanding why technology is a focus and different from mining and logging might help us understand and discover ways to bring about that gender parity.
- 15charlimit 11y ago
  >There are pushes for parity (or at least more inclusion) of women and men in firefighting, policing, and combat roles in the military, all of which are extremely dangerous, hard, physical labor. There are pushes for relaxing restrictions on women attempting to make a statement by forcing their way into said extremely dangerous, hard, physical labor roles without stopping to consider the real-world repercussions of said relaxed restrictions. FTFY
  - marssaxman 11y ago
    Some people are drawn to activities which are dangerous, hard, and/or physical, whether those activities are intended for fun or profit. Why do you imagine that none of these people would ever be women?