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>His main idea is that many of the problems we see with North American kids today – the defiance, the disrespect, the disconnection from the real world – can be

>His main idea is that many of the problems we see with North American kids today – the defiance, the disrespect, the disconnection from the real world – can be traced to the lack of a strong attachment between parents and their kids. We? Problems? Under what calculus are defiance, disrespect, and disconnection, "problems"? Maybe the current state of the world (or maybe just Canada) deserves defiance, disrespect, and disconnection? The observation being made here is purely subjective; one side believes they deserve something (obedience, respect, attention) that they may, in fact, not. More likely we are seeing a rejection of the state of the world and many of the people who caused the state to be the way it currently is.

oldmanjay 11y ago
Much, much more likely is we are seeing yet another "back in my day" rant that has no real substance
- jsprogrammer 11y ago
  I agree there is not much substance here. One reason that these rants may be reoccurring is that the world created by "older" people was created without much thought to what new people might think. The new people see this reality and begin to reject it.
zeveb 11y ago
> Under what calculus are defiance, disrespect, and disconnection, "problems"? They are not the proper attitudes of those with lesser knowledge, skill and experience to those with greater such. That they are prevalent is indicative of, among other things, bad parenting. Guess what? Your folks were your age once. They experienced the same emotion-addled thought processes. They believed ludicrous things to be true for the same reasons that you do (and I did, and sometimes still do). And they can look at your situation from a distance and say, 'you know what? relax!' and be right.
- ThrustVectoring 11y ago
  Adults aren't wiser and more experienced children. They're children with the creative and vital burnt out of their souls and replaced with a respectable act that gets put on for other adults. Defiance, disrespect, and disconnection are absolutely the correct way to interact with those who insist on destroying a fundamental part of who you are.
  - zeveb 11y ago
    > Defiance, disrespect, and disconnection are absolutely the correct way to interact with those who insist on destroying a fundamental part of who you are. A fundamental part of who you were when you were born was crying every time you were the least bit upset; it was evacuating your bowels without even trying to contain them. A fundamental part of who you were as a small child was being a psychopath who didn't fully realise that other people are, well, people. A fundamental part of who you were as a teenager was an underdeveloped brain — and another was the overdeveloped hormone production which didn't help your decision-making skills any. None of those are unique to you: they are the common lot of all of us. The whole point of good parenting is to destroy all the fundamental parts of children which are animalistic and contrary to survival in the world as it is, and to inculcate the development of secondary parts which are humanist and support survival. Now, many parents fail at those tasks, but those who succeed produce healthy, functional adult human beings. Bad parents produce selfish, brutal, cruel, unkind, animalistic demihumans.
    - ThrustVectoring 11y ago
      There's a huge difference between showing children a more humane way to interact with the world, and crushing your child's spirit until they do what you want them to. Doing the latter is how you end up with breaking people to the point where they don't notice that they have emotions for a decade. Evil people don't think they're evil - instead, they think things like "spare the rod, spoil the child". Just... goddamn, be careful with spreading that line of thinking, okay?

oldmanjay 11y ago

Much, much more likely is we are seeing yet another "back in my day" rant that has no real substance

jsprogrammer 11y ago
I agree there is not much substance here. One reason that these rants may be reoccurring is that the world created by "older" people was created without much thought to what new people might think. The new people see this reality and begin to reject it.

zeveb 11y ago

> Under what calculus are defiance, disrespect, and disconnection, "problems"? They are not the proper attitudes of those with lesser knowledge, skill and experience to those with greater such. That they are prevalent is indicative of, among other things, bad parenting. Guess what? Your folks were your age once. They experienced the same emotion-addled thought processes. They believed ludicrous things to be true for the same reasons that you do (and I did, and sometimes still do). And they can look at your situation from a distance and say, 'you know what? relax!' and be right.

ThrustVectoring 11y ago
Adults aren't wiser and more experienced children. They're children with the creative and vital burnt out of their souls and replaced with a respectable act that gets put on for other adults. Defiance, disrespect, and disconnection are absolutely the correct way to interact with those who insist on destroying a fundamental part of who you are.
- zeveb 11y ago
  > Defiance, disrespect, and disconnection are absolutely the correct way to interact with those who insist on destroying a fundamental part of who you are. A fundamental part of who you were when you were born was crying every time you were the least bit upset; it was evacuating your bowels without even trying to contain them. A fundamental part of who you were as a small child was being a psychopath who didn't fully realise that other people are, well, people. A fundamental part of who you were as a teenager was an underdeveloped brain — and another was the overdeveloped hormone production which didn't help your decision-making skills any. None of those are unique to you: they are the common lot of all of us. The whole point of good parenting is to destroy all the fundamental parts of children which are animalistic and contrary to survival in the world as it is, and to inculcate the development of secondary parts which are humanist and support survival. Now, many parents fail at those tasks, but those who succeed produce healthy, functional adult human beings. Bad parents produce selfish, brutal, cruel, unkind, animalistic demihumans.
  - ThrustVectoring 11y ago
    There's a huge difference between showing children a more humane way to interact with the world, and crushing your child's spirit until they do what you want them to. Doing the latter is how you end up with breaking people to the point where they don't notice that they have emotions for a decade. Evil people don't think they're evil - instead, they think things like "spare the rod, spoil the child". Just... goddamn, be careful with spreading that line of thinking, okay?