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It's sad to hear about your disenchantment. I hope I'm not being presumptuous, but... why don't you do some sport that's more independent? I enjoy kettlebell tr

It's sad to hear about your disenchantment. I hope I'm not being presumptuous, but... why don't you do some sport that's more independent? I enjoy kettlebell training, running and playing tennis. For the first two sports, it's entirely on me: I don't need anyone else, and it's all about the joy of the movement. In tennis you need an opponent, but that can just be one other person whom you regularly play with. I guess there must be a feeling of sunk costs, in that you reached a high level in your martial art(s) of choice. But surely it would be better to do any kind of exercise, just for health and happiness, than to be thwarted by your ego? (When I say your ego is thwarting you, I mean to say that you control your reaction. The groups you mentioned are contemptible, but it is your choice whether you stop exercise entirely because of their malfeasance.)

moron4hire 11y ago
If you can ever figure out a single solution to "why don't people 'just' start exercising", you'll probably solve the global obesity epidemic. I have not provided all of the details, because they aren't really that pertinent to the topic (hence why I had tossed it in a footnote), but it really is about choices, as you have said. And one of my choices was that I would spend a lot of time on my projects. That has come at the expense of other things--not just exercise, but playing games, or learning a musical instrument, or traveling the world. You don't "just" choose to exercise. It necessarily must come with a choice to stop doing something else. What that something else is, and how much to curtail it, those are the reasons people persist in not exercising. That choice for me is probably "stop commenting on HN". So you can probably see the problem.
- omegaham 11y ago
  > If you can ever figure out a single solution to "why don't people 'just' start exercising", you'll probably solve the global obesity epidemic. I've seen this at my workplace. There is a gym that is available to all employees. Like, a nice gym. Fantastic assortment of weights, free classes from legitimately knowledgeable people at all sorts of times, free consultations for further instruction... Very few people use it. It's right there, damn it! I think that your reason is spot-on. Going to the gym takes a sacrifice elsewhere, whether it's shortening your lunch break or watching Netflix / TV for an hour less per day. And, well, it's not enough of a priority for people to make that sacrifice.

moron4hire 11y ago

If you can ever figure out a single solution to "why don't people 'just' start exercising", you'll probably solve the global obesity epidemic. I have not provided all of the details, because they aren't really that pertinent to the topic (hence why I had tossed it in a footnote), but it really is about choices, as you have said. And one of my choices was that I would spend a lot of time on my projects. That has come at the expense of other things--not just exercise, but playing games, or learning a musical instrument, or traveling the world. You don't "just" choose to exercise. It necessarily must come with a choice to stop doing something else. What that something else is, and how much to curtail it, those are the reasons people persist in not exercising. That choice for me is probably "stop commenting on HN". So you can probably see the problem.

omegaham 11y ago
> If you can ever figure out a single solution to "why don't people 'just' start exercising", you'll probably solve the global obesity epidemic. I've seen this at my workplace. There is a gym that is available to all employees. Like, a nice gym. Fantastic assortment of weights, free classes from legitimately knowledgeable people at all sorts of times, free consultations for further instruction... Very few people use it. It's right there, damn it! I think that your reason is spot-on. Going to the gym takes a sacrifice elsewhere, whether it's shortening your lunch break or watching Netflix / TV for an hour less per day. And, well, it's not enough of a priority for people to make that sacrifice.