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When you think that the New York Metropolitan Area has a bigger GDP than Russia, what you are suggesting (real city states) starts to actually make sense.
by davidiach 11y ago
When you think that the New York Metropolitan Area has a bigger GDP than Russia, what you are suggesting (real city states) starts to actually make sense.
- afsina 11y agoWhy so?
- davidiach 11y agoDon't you think that an economy greater than Russia deserves to govern itself, or at least have much greater autonomy?
- conistonwater 11y agoWouldn't that argument work in reverse too? How much autonomy does Vermont (lowest gdp) need anyway?
- ethagknight 11y agoOr that perhaps the key to New York's success is dependent upon the existing government framework?
- afsina 11y agoI doubt that. Singapore, Monaco and Luxembourg are doing just fine without the blessing of a big state.
- pjc50 11y agoMonaco and Luxembourg both are inside the EU and exist very much as a result of cooperation with France (and the Treaty of Utrecht). They both have ceremonial militaries only, and subsist by facilitating tax avoidance for the nearby elites.
- smcl 11y agoI'm not so sure these are very good examples. Monaco is effectively a tiny gated community of France for the super rich that produces little-to-no goods or services. Luxembourg is heavily dependent on support and the existance of the EU (receiving approximately €3,000 per person, the highest in the entire EU). Singapore is probably the best example of a city-state succeeding outside the framework of a larger state, but the size of their public debt is a little frightening for such a small country - and would be slightly less so if it was within a larger body.
- afsina 11y agoThere are also Andorra, Lichtenstein and probably Macao and Hong Kong (They could be just fine without England and China).
- conistonwater 11y agoWhere are you seeing this? I got California > Russia > New York State: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=new+york+gdp%2C+california+gdp%2C+russia+gdp http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=new+york+gdp%2C+califor...
- darpa_escapee 11y agoMetro area includes parts of NJ, PA and CT but not all of NY state.
- conistonwater 11y agoI see. Still appears to be less than Russia: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=new+york+metro+area+gdp%2C+new+york+gdp%2C+russia+gdp http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=new+york+metro+area+gdp... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._metropolitan_areas_by_GDP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._metropolitan_area...)
- ceras 11y agoDepending on how you define it, the NY metro area extends into NJ, CT, and PA. I still don't think it surpasses Russia, but it does surpass the vast majority of countries, including Spain: http://www.usmayors.org/metroeconomies/2013/201311-report.pdf http://www.usmayors.org/metroeconomies/2013/201311-report.pd...
- davidiach 11y agoNew York Metropolitan Area GDP (or GMP) in 2015: $1,573.8 billion http://www.statista.com/statistics/183808/gmp-of-the-20-biggest-metro-areas/ http://www.statista.com/statistics/183808/gmp-of-the-20-bigg... Russia GDP in 2015: $1,235.858 billion http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2015/02/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=67&pr.y=8&sy=2013&ey=2020&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=922&s=NGDPD&grp=0&a= http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2015/02/weodata/weor...