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Rather than thinking of it as "where are all the non-web jobs," think of it as "where are all the $INDUSTRY jobs?" What are you interested in? The web is just a

Rather than thinking of it as "where are all the non-web jobs," think of it as "where are all the $INDUSTRY jobs?" What are you interested in? The web is just a very popular and successful medium for reaching users, including in finance and gaming. And if you really want to work in finance or in gaming, then go to meetups or reach out to people in the field with cold emails, asking to just learn more about what they do (rather than immediately flinging your resume at them). You should always be networking long before you start actively looking for your next job.

a3n 11y ago
> "where are all the $INDUSTRY jobs?" Came here to say this. Also, if you don't find anything or any ideas in the following, you could refine it for various $INDUSTRY. https://duckduckgo.com/?t=lm&q=chicago+software+jobs&ia=jobs https://duckduckgo.com/?t=lm&q=chicago+software+jobs&ia=jobs
ChuckMcM 11y ago
Exactly this. I see this happening a lot with new grads who have a degree but they don't know what they are interested in. I would ask you "Why did you get a CS degree in the first place?" Presumably you like programming, but do you only like programming? Or do you like programming for $TOPIC ? As a disclaimer (I'm currently employed by IBM) there are lots of non-gaming, non-finance, non-frontend programming jobs open on the jobs list that IBM posts (ibm.com/careers/) but they are really targeted toward people who are going "somewhere" as opposed to going "anywhere." That said, programming was previous known as "data processing" for a reason, a big chunk of the reason people use computers is to take data, process it, and then make decisions based on the results of that processing. Whether it is ecologists looking a population studies, traders looking at market trends, or manufacturing companies looking at defects per thousand.
hwstar 11y ago
Out of work Hardware/Embedded systems engineer with a CS degree here. There's a lack of embedded programming jobs being offered by manufacturers in California right now. I live in San Diego and it is terrible. One might think this is because California isn't business friendly (noncompetes are illegal), or that salaries are too high. I call B.S. on this. The best talent prefers to live in CA due to the weather and the lack of backwards policies. There are some of us who will not work in certain areas of the country due to the lack of employee rights. We'd rather live off our investments, and recurring income than work in such hell holes, where the rights of employees are dead last.
- w1ntermute 11y ago
  > There's a lack of embedded programming jobs being offered by manufacturers in California right now. I live in San Diego and it is terrible. What about in LA or in the Bay Area? Have you explored moving within California?
  - hwstar 11y ago
    Unfortunately we have to care for an aging parent, or we would have moved when it got bad.

a3n 11y ago

> "where are all the $INDUSTRY jobs?" Came here to say this. Also, if you don't find anything or any ideas in the following, you could refine it for various $INDUSTRY. https://duckduckgo.com/?t=lm&q=chicago+software+jobs&ia=jobs https://duckduckgo.com/?t=lm&q=chicago+software+jobs&ia=jobs

ChuckMcM 11y ago

Exactly this. I see this happening a lot with new grads who have a degree but they don't know what they are interested in. I would ask you "Why did you get a CS degree in the first place?" Presumably you like programming, but do you only like programming? Or do you like programming for $TOPIC ? As a disclaimer (I'm currently employed by IBM) there are lots of non-gaming, non-finance, non-frontend programming jobs open on the jobs list that IBM posts (ibm.com/careers/) but they are really targeted toward people who are going "somewhere" as opposed to going "anywhere." That said, programming was previous known as "data processing" for a reason, a big chunk of the reason people use computers is to take data, process it, and then make decisions based on the results of that processing. Whether it is ecologists looking a population studies, traders looking at market trends, or manufacturing companies looking at defects per thousand.

hwstar 11y ago

Out of work Hardware/Embedded systems engineer with a CS degree here. There's a lack of embedded programming jobs being offered by manufacturers in California right now. I live in San Diego and it is terrible. One might think this is because California isn't business friendly (noncompetes are illegal), or that salaries are too high. I call B.S. on this. The best talent prefers to live in CA due to the weather and the lack of backwards policies. There are some of us who will not work in certain areas of the country due to the lack of employee rights. We'd rather live off our investments, and recurring income than work in such hell holes, where the rights of employees are dead last.

w1ntermute 11y ago
> There's a lack of embedded programming jobs being offered by manufacturers in California right now. I live in San Diego and it is terrible. What about in LA or in the Bay Area? Have you explored moving within California?
- hwstar 11y ago
  Unfortunately we have to care for an aging parent, or we would have moved when it got bad.