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I believe the IMF stomped all over Argentina (and others) not too long ago.

tptacek 11y ago
Again, all you have to do is find an example of a trade treaty exacting ruinous settlements over local laws. It should be easy for you to cite a source.
- meric 11y ago
  What do you think of the sources listed in the sibling comments of the comment you replied to?
  - hueving 11y ago
    Do not try to challenge tptacek directly because he is using his real identity so his fear of being plainly wrong on the Internet causes him to selectively respond to comments or use weasel words to avoid that scenario.
    - tptacek 11y ago
      That seems like a pointlessly mean comment to have written.
      - hueving 11y ago
        It was, I'm sorry. I just get really frustrated reading your responses to comments in threads where you are really active and appear to just ignore any comments that counter you with evidence. Have you ever had a conversation with someone that always has to be right? Whenever they realize they are wrong, they don't even admit it and they just change the subject. It's tiresome and disrespectful to the other party and that's what selective responses come across as.
        tptacek 11y ago
        (a) There is a difference between simply not agreeing with people and "ignoring any comments that counter you with evidence". (b) The argument I had on this thread was much narrower than the one people seemed to want to have. I had something negative to say about FFTF. People on the thread want to argue about how bad TPP is. I'm not going to respond to "evidence" against arguments I didn't make. (c) The biggest reason I didn't respond to comments on this thread was that I wasn't home for most of yesterday. Sorry, I don't feel obligated to cancel plans to address comments on threads. This comment, sadly buried lower in the thread, does a much better job of making my argument than I did: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10921541 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10921541
      - ta0967 11y ago
        i'd say it was pointed very much.
- jsprogrammer 11y ago
  I don't even know what all of those words mean exactly (they are your words, not mine). 'Ruinous' in particular would seem to be a difficult one to precisely define. Where one sees ruin, another may see and proclaim justice. If it is so easy to find sources of these ruinous settlements, as you claim, why don't you list some too? Try searching for "Argentina IMF", "Zapatistas NAFTA". [0] http://www.tc.umn.edu/~fayxx001/text/naftawar.html http://www.tc.umn.edu/~fayxx001/text/naftawar.html
  - drdeca 11y ago
    I'm would guess that some would consider something to be ruin, and that it being ruin is its justice? I am not sure how to word that better. I mean, In the same way that one might see an execution as justice being done, one might see a ruining as justice being done, and consider it to be ruining in the same way? I think "ruining" might be more like "killing" than it is like "murdering". But I am not sure.
tim333 11y ago
The IMF - Argentina thing isn't about trade agreements. It's about whether Argentina should honour its debts which is kind of a different issue.
- jsprogrammer 11y ago
  The IMF isn't about trade agreements? It comes directly from arguably one of the most important trade agreements.

Again, all you have to do is find an example of a trade treaty exacting ruinous settlements over local laws. It should be easy for you to cite a source.

meric 11y ago
What do you think of the sources listed in the sibling comments of the comment you replied to?
- hueving 11y ago
  Do not try to challenge tptacek directly because he is using his real identity so his fear of being plainly wrong on the Internet causes him to selectively respond to comments or use weasel words to avoid that scenario.
  - tptacek 11y ago
    That seems like a pointlessly mean comment to have written.
    - hueving 11y ago
      It was, I'm sorry. I just get really frustrated reading your responses to comments in threads where you are really active and appear to just ignore any comments that counter you with evidence. Have you ever had a conversation with someone that always has to be right? Whenever they realize they are wrong, they don't even admit it and they just change the subject. It's tiresome and disrespectful to the other party and that's what selective responses come across as.
      - tptacek 11y ago
        (a) There is a difference between simply not agreeing with people and "ignoring any comments that counter you with evidence". (b) The argument I had on this thread was much narrower than the one people seemed to want to have. I had something negative to say about FFTF. People on the thread want to argue about how bad TPP is. I'm not going to respond to "evidence" against arguments I didn't make. (c) The biggest reason I didn't respond to comments on this thread was that I wasn't home for most of yesterday. Sorry, I don't feel obligated to cancel plans to address comments on threads. This comment, sadly buried lower in the thread, does a much better job of making my argument than I did: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10921541 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10921541
    - ta0967 11y ago
      i'd say it was pointed very much.
jsprogrammer 11y ago
I don't even know what all of those words mean exactly (they are your words, not mine). 'Ruinous' in particular would seem to be a difficult one to precisely define. Where one sees ruin, another may see and proclaim justice. If it is so easy to find sources of these ruinous settlements, as you claim, why don't you list some too? Try searching for "Argentina IMF", "Zapatistas NAFTA". [0] http://www.tc.umn.edu/~fayxx001/text/naftawar.html http://www.tc.umn.edu/~fayxx001/text/naftawar.html
- drdeca 11y ago
  I'm would guess that some would consider something to be ruin, and that it being ruin is its justice? I am not sure how to word that better. I mean, In the same way that one might see an execution as justice being done, one might see a ruining as justice being done, and consider it to be ruining in the same way? I think "ruining" might be more like "killing" than it is like "murdering". But I am not sure.

tim333 11y ago

The IMF - Argentina thing isn't about trade agreements. It's about whether Argentina should honour its debts which is kind of a different issue.

jsprogrammer 11y ago
The IMF isn't about trade agreements? It comes directly from arguably one of the most important trade agreements.