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It is ridiculous that after months of Obama telling people to "just read it", he dumped the agreement as ~268 separate PDFs. No body has time for that. It's ni

It is ridiculous that after months of Obama telling people to "just read it", he dumped the agreement as ~268 separate PDFs. No body has time for that. It's nice that they have pared this down to 31 different sections, but my guess is that they are not showing the full agreement here. It would be much nicer if someone just dumped it all into a single PDF and HTML file. Edit: Care to leave a comment rationalizing your downmods?

envy2 11y ago
"He" didn't dump the agreement as separate PDFs; that's how these things are almost always handled because most people involved are focused on specific areas (be they negotiators, interest groups, or concerned citizens). Other governments published the text in exactly the same way [1]. The USTR also published the full text on Medium [2] for anyone who doesn't want to download a PDF. There are plenty of issues worth discussing when it comes to the text itself and the way the original negotiations were conducted, but arguing that the final agreement hasn't been made accessible is really not a legitimate complaint. [1] https://www.mfat.govt.nz/en/about-us/who-we-are/treaty-making-process/trans-pacific-partnership-tpp/text-of-the-trans-pacific-partnership https://www.mfat.govt.nz/en/about-us/who-we-are/treaty-makin... [2] https://medium.com/the-trans-pacific-partnership https://medium.com/the-trans-pacific-partnership
- jsprogrammer 11y ago
  [0] https://medium.com/the-trans-pacific-partnership https://medium.com/the-trans-pacific-partnership Authorship is claimed as "Barack Obama", @PresidentObama. [1] https://medium.com/@PresidentObama https://medium.com/@PresidentObama (Even includes an avatar of Obama's face.) [2] https://ustr.gov/tpp/ https://ustr.gov/tpp/ The top header claims "Executive Office of The President". [3] https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/trans-pacific-partnership/tpp-full-text https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/tran... Also claims "Executive Office of the President". The US Constitution only grants treaty making powers to the President. Any treaty that claims to come from someone other than the current US President is not and cannot be a valid treaty. Edit: "That’s why I am posting the text of this agreement here for you to read and explore." (Authorship Claim: Barack Obama) [4] [4] https://medium.com/the-trans-pacific-partnership/here-s-the-deal-the-text-of-the-trans-pacific-partnership-103adc324500#.6tyhpo5qc https://medium.com/the-trans-pacific-partnership/here-s-the-... Edit2: Will soon be lobbying HN to publish all downmods.
  - tomcam 11y ago
    SNAP! * * There goes what little karma I had
    - jsprogrammer 11y ago
      ?
puppetmaster3 11y ago
You said something that may be non complimentary about the left, and hacker news mods are left coast based, see who they have in senate and house.
rubbingalcohol 11y ago
Check out the source on Github. We actually went through the entire TPP and turned the chapters into Markdown text files. It's a bit easier to parse that way than the dozens of PDFs or Medium posts. https://github.com/fightforthefuture/readthetpp/tree/master/site https://github.com/fightforthefuture/readthetpp/tree/master/...

envy2 11y ago

"He" didn't dump the agreement as separate PDFs; that's how these things are almost always handled because most people involved are focused on specific areas (be they negotiators, interest groups, or concerned citizens). Other governments published the text in exactly the same way [1]. The USTR also published the full text on Medium [2] for anyone who doesn't want to download a PDF. There are plenty of issues worth discussing when it comes to the text itself and the way the original negotiations were conducted, but arguing that the final agreement hasn't been made accessible is really not a legitimate complaint. [1] https://www.mfat.govt.nz/en/about-us/who-we-are/treaty-making-process/trans-pacific-partnership-tpp/text-of-the-trans-pacific-partnership https://www.mfat.govt.nz/en/about-us/who-we-are/treaty-makin... [2] https://medium.com/the-trans-pacific-partnership https://medium.com/the-trans-pacific-partnership

jsprogrammer 11y ago
[0] https://medium.com/the-trans-pacific-partnership https://medium.com/the-trans-pacific-partnership Authorship is claimed as "Barack Obama", @PresidentObama. [1] https://medium.com/@PresidentObama https://medium.com/@PresidentObama (Even includes an avatar of Obama's face.) [2] https://ustr.gov/tpp/ https://ustr.gov/tpp/ The top header claims "Executive Office of The President". [3] https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/trans-pacific-partnership/tpp-full-text https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/tran... Also claims "Executive Office of the President". The US Constitution only grants treaty making powers to the President. Any treaty that claims to come from someone other than the current US President is not and cannot be a valid treaty. Edit: "That’s why I am posting the text of this agreement here for you to read and explore." (Authorship Claim: Barack Obama) [4] [4] https://medium.com/the-trans-pacific-partnership/here-s-the-deal-the-text-of-the-trans-pacific-partnership-103adc324500#.6tyhpo5qc https://medium.com/the-trans-pacific-partnership/here-s-the-... Edit2: Will soon be lobbying HN to publish all downmods.
- tomcam 11y ago
  SNAP! * * There goes what little karma I had
  - jsprogrammer 11y ago
    ?

puppetmaster3 11y ago

You said something that may be non complimentary about the left, and hacker news mods are left coast based, see who they have in senate and house.

rubbingalcohol 11y ago

Check out the source on Github. We actually went through the entire TPP and turned the chapters into Markdown text files. It's a bit easier to parse that way than the dozens of PDFs or Medium posts. https://github.com/fightforthefuture/readthetpp/tree/master/site https://github.com/fightforthefuture/readthetpp/tree/master/...