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Forking a project as significant as Express isn't easy; you need help from many people to get it going. You make it sound as simple as clicking a button. (Linus

by jeswin 11y ago

Forking a project as significant as Express isn't easy; you need help from many people to get it going. You make it sound as simple as clicking a button. (Linus may pull it off easily because he's Linus, but that proves nothing.) This "soap opera" isn't of Doug's making. What he's saying seems very fair to me: he's willing to work on it if it's a community effort, and not under a corporate banner. Throughout the thread, he gives excellent reasons which justify his stand. > The whole thing should've been on the IBM back channels until they got their shit together and could agree on some messaging Earlier, you said this should have been solved in IBM's internal channels. Why? Doug doesn't work for IBM, and doesn't owe them anything. He's well within his rights to protest or complain openly, irrespective of how it affects IBM. > don't hand the keys to anyone who isn't a trusted driver Here's a link that explains what happened https://github.com/strongloop/express/issues/2264 https://github.com/strongloop/express/issues/2264 > just be the best dev/leader you can be ... Oh come on! We should be thankful for the effort so many talented people are putting in FOSS, often for no financial gain.

spdustin 11y ago
I mentioned the dialog in IBM's back channels because Doug himself was pushing a participant there once he got some traction in that more appropriate venue: "Now, please stop contacting me as a side channel without the context of the conversations I have been having with IBM. Please get involved in the existing IBM channels I have, so you have context here." You are correct: Doug does give excellent reasons for supporting the project under the expressjs org, the same reasons brought up back when the github ownership of the project changed (as in the issue you linked). The public debate only served to confuse and frustrate watchers, and that is the "soap opera" I refer to. It's unfortunate that sometimes such public drama is necessary to effect change, but as evidenced by the issue raised when the repo was taken over originally, public drama wasn't going to effect any change here. It now serves only to foment ill-will and promote confusion, regardless of who is "right". You are also right that we should be thankful for OSS contributors' efforts. I am thankful for his. For StrongLoop's too, in fact. I am, however, not thankful for the wasted energy in maintaining the debate on a github issue, when the debate didn't do any good the first time 'round. I am not thankful that politics have derailed the work. EDIT: I think you misunderstood my "be the best..." comment. I was merely suggesting that Doug would find himself less stressed if he was able to focus on doing what he loves and not playing politics.

by jeswin 11y ago

spdustin 11y ago

I mentioned the dialog in IBM's back channels because Doug himself was pushing a participant there once he got some traction in that more appropriate venue: "Now, please stop contacting me as a side channel without the context of the conversations I have been having with IBM. Please get involved in the existing IBM channels I have, so you have context here." You are correct: Doug does give excellent reasons for supporting the project under the expressjs org, the same reasons brought up back when the github ownership of the project changed (as in the issue you linked). The public debate only served to confuse and frustrate watchers, and that is the "soap opera" I refer to. It's unfortunate that sometimes such public drama is necessary to effect change, but as evidenced by the issue raised when the repo was taken over originally, public drama wasn't going to effect any change here. It now serves only to foment ill-will and promote confusion, regardless of who is "right". You are also right that we should be thankful for OSS contributors' efforts. I am thankful for his. For StrongLoop's too, in fact. I am, however, not thankful for the wasted energy in maintaining the debate on a github issue, when the debate didn't do any good the first time 'round. I am not thankful that politics have derailed the work. EDIT: I think you misunderstood my "be the best..." comment. I was merely suggesting that Doug would find himself less stressed if he was able to focus on doing what he loves and not playing politics.