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No, looking around me, the Nissan dealers and the highway rest stops have DC quick chargers (480V L3), which are the equivalent of Tesla's superchargers.

greglindahl 11y ago
You're comparing 80% of 80 miles and 80% of 260 miles, and saying that they're equivalent? One is more than 3X faster than the other. One makes it somewhat reasonable to drive long distances, the other does not. BTW, Tesla sells an adapter for Chademo.
- dangrossman 11y ago
  The Chademo standard supports up to 100 kW of output, while Tesla Superchargers are up to 120 kW. Most of the L3 chargers out there are hooked up to 125A and put out 62.5 kW, but they can be upgraded with no change to cars, and provide comparable recharge times to Tesla's chargers. There are relatively few EVs on the road, and none that have the range of a Tesla, so no customer base to necessitate those upgrades just yet. It's awesome what Tesla has done, but there's really nothing wrong with how the infrastructure is growing for all the other EVs and the standards they've all chosen to support. If the Chevy Bolt flops, it won't be because it takes early adopters 45 minutes at the rest stop instead of 30 to make an occasional long-distance road trip.
  - mikeash 11y ago
    Yeah, it'll be because the Bolt's fast chargers are in inconvenient locations and are hard to count on since they're installed in single units. The way the infrastructure is growing for other EVs sucks. If you had a Tesla equivalent car today that couldn't use Tesla superchargers, it would be terrible for long distance travel. It would be slow, painful, and run a substantial risk of stranding when it turns out the one charger you were really counting on has been broken for weeks and the dealer is too busy selling house-sized SUVs to care about repairing it. This could change quickly if the big car makers cared to. So far there's no indication that they do, though.
mikeash 11y ago
Typical CHAdeMO chargers are half the speed of a Supercharger or less. They're also often installed in single units, making them highly vulnerable to breakdowns, queueing, or blocking by non-EVs.

greglindahl 11y ago

You're comparing 80% of 80 miles and 80% of 260 miles, and saying that they're equivalent? One is more than 3X faster than the other. One makes it somewhat reasonable to drive long distances, the other does not. BTW, Tesla sells an adapter for Chademo.

dangrossman 11y ago
The Chademo standard supports up to 100 kW of output, while Tesla Superchargers are up to 120 kW. Most of the L3 chargers out there are hooked up to 125A and put out 62.5 kW, but they can be upgraded with no change to cars, and provide comparable recharge times to Tesla's chargers. There are relatively few EVs on the road, and none that have the range of a Tesla, so no customer base to necessitate those upgrades just yet. It's awesome what Tesla has done, but there's really nothing wrong with how the infrastructure is growing for all the other EVs and the standards they've all chosen to support. If the Chevy Bolt flops, it won't be because it takes early adopters 45 minutes at the rest stop instead of 30 to make an occasional long-distance road trip.
- mikeash 11y ago
  Yeah, it'll be because the Bolt's fast chargers are in inconvenient locations and are hard to count on since they're installed in single units. The way the infrastructure is growing for other EVs sucks. If you had a Tesla equivalent car today that couldn't use Tesla superchargers, it would be terrible for long distance travel. It would be slow, painful, and run a substantial risk of stranding when it turns out the one charger you were really counting on has been broken for weeks and the dealer is too busy selling house-sized SUVs to care about repairing it. This could change quickly if the big car makers cared to. So far there's no indication that they do, though.

mikeash 11y ago

Typical CHAdeMO chargers are half the speed of a Supercharger or less. They're also often installed in single units, making them highly vulnerable to breakdowns, queueing, or blocking by non-EVs.