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> Windows update has been disabled since then That does not seem very smart to me. I think personally that Microsoft is adding telemetry to make Windows more s
by Maarten88 11y ago
> Windows update has been disabled since then
That does not seem very smart to me. I think personally that Microsoft is adding telemetry to make Windows more secure and compete with Apple and Google who do the same. But if you don't trust it, it seems better no not use it at all.
- tdkl 11y agoGoogle has no desktop PC OS. Apple offers options in the settings to opt-out and doesn't change those with an update.
- Maarten88 11y agoGoogle has something way more powerful than a desktop OS: Android devices know your every move, everyone you know, all your communication, etc. These devices are packed full with sensors and know way more about you than a desktop ever can. They send all that home, by default, for a big chunk of the world's population, yet this is perceived very differently than what Microsoft does.
- tdkl 11y agoThe topic is about the desktop PC. Yes all this is somehow true, yet they offer an opt-out in Settings that doesn't change with updates behind your back. I'm sure you'll understand by now what I'm pointing at with recent MS practices.
- Maarten88 11y agoThe topic is Windows. Windows is not only a desktop OS anymore. The exact same code (since a few weeks even the same build numbers) is running Windows Phone and Windows tablets too. This is what is causing the issues that the OP is about: new hardware (both x86 and ARM) comes with new features in power management and virtualization (i.e. connected standby) which Windows needs to abstract and they find it too hard/risky to backport the OS and driver changes to every device now running Windows 7.
- vetinari 11y agoThey don't send that out by default. They ask about it in the welcome wizard. Once the preference is set, it is not changed behind your backs by updates.
- cronjobber 11y agoFor a few years, Microsoft seemed to have really cleaned up their act and showed promise to become an ethical OS vendor that you could trust. The loss of that Microsoft is the tragedy here, the loss of the last commercial mainstream computing platform that didn't want to do everything it possibly can to snitch, spy, analyze, advertize or gamify the living hell out of its... "customers."
- UK-AL 11y agoYeah literally every single apple, android app uses telemetry to improve the app. Microsoft plays catch up, and then everyone loses their minds about it.
- kbart 11y agoIt's not about telemetry, it's about MS trying to sneak W10 into your W7/8 PC disguised as a casual update.
- danieldk 11y agoApple and Google who do the same What? I use Little Snitch to monitor all outgoing connections. I don't see a log of outgoing connections to Apple outside my iCloud account, location services (which has to be enabled explicitly during the installation) and Spotlight searches. And these are easy to disable. In fact, Preferences App has the obvious Security & Privacy prefpane: https://imgur.com/EPCSQL6 https://imgur.com/EPCSQL6
- pdkl95 11y agoIsn't Little Snitch relying on the OS? If you are going to inspect the OS itself is doing, you need to do the packet sniffing from another computer.
- danieldk 11y agoLet's disambiguate OS first: do you mean the kernel or userland? If userland: Little Snitch loads a kernel extension and monitors every userland process. If kernel: The XNU kernel is open source, so you can check that it doesn't work around Little Snitch and Apple doesn't do telemetry in the kernel (which would be... weird). Of course, theoretically, Apple could work around this using e.g. malicious code in the EFI firmware. But I am pretty sure that someone would've already found this by monitoring at a router.