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Yep spyware and metro UI. But I can't imagine it would be this hard to code 2 GUI/Themes, and put in a checkbox to disable all spyware.

TheDong 11y ago
> this hard to code 2 GUI/Themes You realize they're more than just themes. Aero and Metro are more different than QT and GTK in my opinion. Sure, old apps look okay with the metro UI theme, but Metro is also a design paradigm similar to material design which expects a fundamentally different layout and design. Windows is still themable, but it's not the theme that people are complaining about, it's the fundamental UI changes. Those are hard to switch between, and it's difficult for both developers and customers to deal with that. > put in a checkbox to disable all spyware The definition of spyware is subjective. The fact that google stores your search queries for later suggestion is spyware to some and convenience to others. There are a set of checkboxes under advanced options in the Windows 10 install to "disable spyware" and, it turns out, having those checkboxes didn't stop people from complaining. Even though it can be turned out, the fact that it's there and on by default (where spyware is mostly "send info to microsoft so that they can attempt to improve the product presumably. Which has no value if it's opt in because no one will do that). Neither of those is as easy to address as you make it out to be.
- vetinari 11y ago
  > The fact that google stores your search queries for later suggestion is spyware to some and convenience to others. There is one very significant difference. The fact, that the Google search is being done at Google servers, so you have to send out the query - and you are aware, that you are sending the query over network to another computer. Not so with Windows 10 - search in start menu (with Cortana and Bing integration disabled) still sends your query to Bing. Why? It cannot do anything with the search, your local machine is being searched, why should be the query sent at all? The solution would be to firewall SearchUI.exe from sending out anything. But it turns out, that this was intentionally made difficult: a) The firewall rules include exe version numbers. b) The exe versions, their respective firewall rules and your preferences are changed by updates. c) You cannot forbid or manually vet the updates. So basically a+b+c together, Microsoft can (and does) change anything behind your back, without you noticing. > There are a set of checkboxes under advanced options in the Windows 10 install to "disable spyware" and, it turns out, having those checkboxes didn't stop people from complaining. As mentioned above, they are there for good feeling, if they are there. They don't really work as a reasonable person would imagine they would. For some things (i.e. telemetry, update vetting), there are no check boxes at all. It does not help, that even for check/combo boxes that are there, they are silently reset with updates. No wonder that people think, that this is unreasonable and talk loudly about that. And yes, it is easy to address - just don't do things behind people's back, be transparent with data you are sending out, allow out outs (you can ask at OOBE, without hiding choices) and don't silently change preferences. You know, behave how a honest person would behave.
  - mamon 11y ago
    I wonder: can we get something like complete list of servers accessed by those Microsoft trojans? If you try to block SearchUI.exe on system level Microsoft will always find a way to bypass it. If you do that with firewal on your ROUTER then you are protected, at least at home, while being in your own LAN.
- yrro 11y ago
  > There are a set of checkboxes under advanced options in the Windows 10 install to "disable spyware" and, it turns out, having those checkboxes didn't stop people from complaining. Are these the checkboxes that are greyed out in the UI with no way to make them active?

TheDong 11y ago

> this hard to code 2 GUI/Themes You realize they're more than just themes. Aero and Metro are more different than QT and GTK in my opinion. Sure, old apps look okay with the metro UI theme, but Metro is also a design paradigm similar to material design which expects a fundamentally different layout and design. Windows is still themable, but it's not the theme that people are complaining about, it's the fundamental UI changes. Those are hard to switch between, and it's difficult for both developers and customers to deal with that. > put in a checkbox to disable all spyware The definition of spyware is subjective. The fact that google stores your search queries for later suggestion is spyware to some and convenience to others. There are a set of checkboxes under advanced options in the Windows 10 install to "disable spyware" and, it turns out, having those checkboxes didn't stop people from complaining. Even though it can be turned out, the fact that it's there and on by default (where spyware is mostly "send info to microsoft so that they can attempt to improve the product presumably. Which has no value if it's opt in because no one will do that). Neither of those is as easy to address as you make it out to be.

vetinari 11y ago
> The fact that google stores your search queries for later suggestion is spyware to some and convenience to others. There is one very significant difference. The fact, that the Google search is being done at Google servers, so you have to send out the query - and you are aware, that you are sending the query over network to another computer. Not so with Windows 10 - search in start menu (with Cortana and Bing integration disabled) still sends your query to Bing. Why? It cannot do anything with the search, your local machine is being searched, why should be the query sent at all? The solution would be to firewall SearchUI.exe from sending out anything. But it turns out, that this was intentionally made difficult: a) The firewall rules include exe version numbers. b) The exe versions, their respective firewall rules and your preferences are changed by updates. c) You cannot forbid or manually vet the updates. So basically a+b+c together, Microsoft can (and does) change anything behind your back, without you noticing. > There are a set of checkboxes under advanced options in the Windows 10 install to "disable spyware" and, it turns out, having those checkboxes didn't stop people from complaining. As mentioned above, they are there for good feeling, if they are there. They don't really work as a reasonable person would imagine they would. For some things (i.e. telemetry, update vetting), there are no check boxes at all. It does not help, that even for check/combo boxes that are there, they are silently reset with updates. No wonder that people think, that this is unreasonable and talk loudly about that. And yes, it is easy to address - just don't do things behind people's back, be transparent with data you are sending out, allow out outs (you can ask at OOBE, without hiding choices) and don't silently change preferences. You know, behave how a honest person would behave.
- mamon 11y ago
  I wonder: can we get something like complete list of servers accessed by those Microsoft trojans? If you try to block SearchUI.exe on system level Microsoft will always find a way to bypass it. If you do that with firewal on your ROUTER then you are protected, at least at home, while being in your own LAN.
yrro 11y ago
> There are a set of checkboxes under advanced options in the Windows 10 install to "disable spyware" and, it turns out, having those checkboxes didn't stop people from complaining. Are these the checkboxes that are greyed out in the UI with no way to make them active?