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> I don't have time for bullshit. I don't build my own PCs, I buy Macs. It is sad - and disgusting - to see this degree of arrogance in bluntly categorising th

by sigmaml 11y ago

> I don't have time for bullshit. I don't build my own PCs, I buy Macs. It is sad - and disgusting - to see this degree of arrogance in bluntly categorising those who use (or build) PCs (and not Macs) as indulging in bullshit! I am happy that you have found a useful computer in Mac. At the same time, though, please realise that hundreds of millions of computer users choose otherwise too. And, please do not conclude that they have time for bullshit just because of that!

BinaryIdiot 11y ago
Whoa whoa slow down. Parent sounded like they simply don't have time to build computers anymore and that buying a Mac is just far easier (less driver issues due to the vertical stack, etc). This seems perfectly justified and fine to me; I don't get why you're so upset by it.
- sigmaml 11y ago
  > I don't get why you're so upset by it. Because harsh expressions are usually gratuitous. Because blanket assertions are usually wrong. And, because combining both is rude. (This applies to parts of PG's essay as well!) For instance, did you really need to say `Whoa whoa slow down' when you began your reply? Did that add value?
  - BinaryIdiot 11y ago
    > Because harsh expressions are usually gratuitous. Because blanket assertions are usually wrong. And, because combining both is rude. This never happened though. The parent simply stated they didn't have time for bullshit then said they purchase Macs so they don't have build PCs. He / she simply stated what they considered important. It was personal, there was no blanket assertions at all and it was in the same tone as the article so what was gratuitous in this context? > For instance, did you really need to say `Whoa whoa slow down' when you began your reply? Did that add value? I certainly did due to the outlandishness of what I replied to. It sounded two orders of magnitude harsher and more personal than I would have expected especially on HN.
  - Ensorceled 11y ago
    I wasn't going to reply to this because, well, bullshit. But ... You took the worst possible interpretation of the original comment and then took it, out of context, as a personal attack. Then you posted a very nasty reply. Then, when you got called on it, you claim rudeness on the other parties. Think about that. Re-read the entire thread. Because you not only missed the point of the OC, you missed the point of the original essay.
nulltype 11y ago
I'm pretty sure bullshit is relative. I think cooking and driving are both bullshit, but there are tons of people who love both of those.
- tluyben2 11y ago
  You are missing out by not cooking.
  - Kiro 11y ago
    Why is that? I'm cooking all my meals but think it's the worst choir of all. Complete waste of time.
    - nulltype 11y ago
      Hallelujah!
    - tluyben2 11y ago
      Cooking can be creative and relaxing. I don't find it all too different from coding which I also like :) But yeah it's relative but the worst choir... You clean yourself? I cannot imagine you find it worse than cleaning which is mindnumbing crap. Maybe cooking can be as well if you cook more or less the same every day or cook something uninspired? I guess you are both very young; I used to think eating was a waste of time in my 20s. I was dreaming of having a nutrition drip so I didn't have to waste time cooking or eating. But nothing beats cleaning or doing laundry imho.
  - gk1 11y ago
    Did you miss the first sentence? > I'm pretty sure bullshit is relative.
throwaway999888 11y ago
It's how humans rationalize their view of their own "development" and "progression": 1. I liked to do an activity before. 2. I don't do that activity any more, nor like it. 3. I am older, so I must be wiser (or else I wasted my time) 4. Therefore the old activity was bullshit all along. All hail my personal development.
kybernetyk 11y ago
Well, if all you care about is value for time spent/productivity then building your own PC probably isn't the wisest decision. On the other hand if you have more free time than money then buying a Mac would probably be not the best decision. Context is important and I don't think OP was generalizing that every PC user is a fool. It's just not the right thing for him personally since he got kids and would rather spend time with them.

by sigmaml 11y ago

BinaryIdiot 11y ago

Whoa whoa slow down. Parent sounded like they simply don't have time to build computers anymore and that buying a Mac is just far easier (less driver issues due to the vertical stack, etc). This seems perfectly justified and fine to me; I don't get why you're so upset by it.

sigmaml 11y ago
> I don't get why you're so upset by it. Because harsh expressions are usually gratuitous. Because blanket assertions are usually wrong. And, because combining both is rude. (This applies to parts of PG's essay as well!) For instance, did you really need to say `Whoa whoa slow down' when you began your reply? Did that add value?
- BinaryIdiot 11y ago
  > Because harsh expressions are usually gratuitous. Because blanket assertions are usually wrong. And, because combining both is rude. This never happened though. The parent simply stated they didn't have time for bullshit then said they purchase Macs so they don't have build PCs. He / she simply stated what they considered important. It was personal, there was no blanket assertions at all and it was in the same tone as the article so what was gratuitous in this context? > For instance, did you really need to say `Whoa whoa slow down' when you began your reply? Did that add value? I certainly did due to the outlandishness of what I replied to. It sounded two orders of magnitude harsher and more personal than I would have expected especially on HN.
- Ensorceled 11y ago
  I wasn't going to reply to this because, well, bullshit. But ... You took the worst possible interpretation of the original comment and then took it, out of context, as a personal attack. Then you posted a very nasty reply. Then, when you got called on it, you claim rudeness on the other parties. Think about that. Re-read the entire thread. Because you not only missed the point of the OC, you missed the point of the original essay.

nulltype 11y ago

I'm pretty sure bullshit is relative. I think cooking and driving are both bullshit, but there are tons of people who love both of those.

tluyben2 11y ago
You are missing out by not cooking.
- Kiro 11y ago
  Why is that? I'm cooking all my meals but think it's the worst choir of all. Complete waste of time.
  - nulltype 11y ago
    Hallelujah!
  - tluyben2 11y ago
    Cooking can be creative and relaxing. I don't find it all too different from coding which I also like :) But yeah it's relative but the worst choir... You clean yourself? I cannot imagine you find it worse than cleaning which is mindnumbing crap. Maybe cooking can be as well if you cook more or less the same every day or cook something uninspired? I guess you are both very young; I used to think eating was a waste of time in my 20s. I was dreaming of having a nutrition drip so I didn't have to waste time cooking or eating. But nothing beats cleaning or doing laundry imho.
- gk1 11y ago
  Did you miss the first sentence? > I'm pretty sure bullshit is relative.

throwaway999888 11y ago

It's how humans rationalize their view of their own "development" and "progression": 1. I liked to do an activity before. 2. I don't do that activity any more, nor like it. 3. I am older, so I must be wiser (or else I wasted my time) 4. Therefore the old activity was bullshit all along. All hail my personal development.

kybernetyk 11y ago

Well, if all you care about is value for time spent/productivity then building your own PC probably isn't the wisest decision. On the other hand if you have more free time than money then buying a Mac would probably be not the best decision. Context is important and I don't think OP was generalizing that every PC user is a fool. It's just not the right thing for him personally since he got kids and would rather spend time with them.