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> The key distinction people are missing is that these companies don't monetize open source directly. Instead open source is used as a means of building a user

> The key distinction people are missing is that these companies don't monetize open source directly. Instead open source is used as a means of building a user base that will indirectly generate revenue in other ways This isn't a distinction, it's the definition of open source. By definition if you have an open source company, you're making money through some channel other than keeping the software proprietary and selling binaries of it. So your list quite rightly invalidates the author's claim--it's not just some subtle distinction that was ignored, it's proof that you can indeed make money from open source software.

agibsonccc 11y ago
Well that depends. You can make money from open source. It more comes down to HOW which is rather than licensing code or subscription licenses BECAUSE the software is closed. I agree at what you're getting at though.
- lmeyerov 11y ago
  Most of these companies are a freemium variant of open source. You get a bit free, and then pay for proprietary bits, e.g., admin tools and not getting hacked. This has been a big question for our company. Ultimately, one of our viewpoints has been that the current breed of open source companies, especially with VC pressure, struggle to align with the community after a couple years and reality sets in.
  - agibsonccc 11y ago
    Right. We're open core ourselves. In our case the algorithms which researchers can benefit from aren't the same as what the businesses pay for (GUIs, integrations,support,..) which allows us to serve both fairly well.
    - lmeyerov 11y ago
      So let's play this out: Community user: this is awesome, let me add this bugfix Company: bugfix tweaked/improved & in mainline. Come speak at our conference! Community user: cool. Now here's this admin tool. Company: uh,no,sorry,please keep that out of the main repos. Community user: but admin is pretty central... When the center of the community actively dissuades core contributions, which is what we see, the alignment isn't working.
      - agibsonccc 11y ago
        Right. I'm talking about for our particular industry. This definitely isn't true of all.
      - nickpsecurity 11y ago
        This is a worry that's mentioned in any article of business models. Do you know if anyone has collected actual data on how often a community version got parity with enterprise edition and significantly burned the sales? It's a good hypothesis but I'm not sure it happens often in practice. Most companies I found that had a premium model still have a premium model. Mine wasn't a large sample, though.
meanduck 11y ago
I think Open Source has been overloaded to mean something else so that profit can be made while being morally superior. IMO Open Development is what open source originally meant. Open development is only sustainable if devs == users, otherwise devs going to burn out eventually. Open source companies (as per your defintiton) are profitiable because the oss is not the primary product but a feature. Their primary products are indeed closed.

agibsonccc 11y ago

Well that depends. You can make money from open source. It more comes down to HOW which is rather than licensing code or subscription licenses BECAUSE the software is closed. I agree at what you're getting at though.

lmeyerov 11y ago
Most of these companies are a freemium variant of open source. You get a bit free, and then pay for proprietary bits, e.g., admin tools and not getting hacked. This has been a big question for our company. Ultimately, one of our viewpoints has been that the current breed of open source companies, especially with VC pressure, struggle to align with the community after a couple years and reality sets in.
- agibsonccc 11y ago
  Right. We're open core ourselves. In our case the algorithms which researchers can benefit from aren't the same as what the businesses pay for (GUIs, integrations,support,..) which allows us to serve both fairly well.
  - lmeyerov 11y ago
    So let's play this out: Community user: this is awesome, let me add this bugfix Company: bugfix tweaked/improved & in mainline. Come speak at our conference! Community user: cool. Now here's this admin tool. Company: uh,no,sorry,please keep that out of the main repos. Community user: but admin is pretty central... When the center of the community actively dissuades core contributions, which is what we see, the alignment isn't working.
    - agibsonccc 11y ago
      Right. I'm talking about for our particular industry. This definitely isn't true of all.
    - nickpsecurity 11y ago
      This is a worry that's mentioned in any article of business models. Do you know if anyone has collected actual data on how often a community version got parity with enterprise edition and significantly burned the sales? It's a good hypothesis but I'm not sure it happens often in practice. Most companies I found that had a premium model still have a premium model. Mine wasn't a large sample, though.

meanduck 11y ago

I think Open Source has been overloaded to mean something else so that profit can be made while being morally superior. IMO Open Development is what open source originally meant. Open development is only sustainable if devs == users, otherwise devs going to burn out eventually. Open source companies (as per your defintiton) are profitiable because the oss is not the primary product but a feature. Their primary products are indeed closed.