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> I really don't want to talk bad about the US, > has that NSA scandal going on that made KGB and Stasi look like nothing Yeah, I'm going to say you only want
by cglace 11y ago
> I really don't want to talk bad about the US,
> has that NSA scandal going on that made KGB and Stasi look like nothing
Yeah, I'm going to say you only want to talk bad about the US.
- jessaustin 11y agoPatriotism: you're doing it wrong. Real patriots don't strain to find reasons for taking offense. Rather, we're pissed off that "offensive" statements happen to be objectively true. Only USA people can change USA. If you don't want to change it, then get comfortable with seeing many more rational assessments of our problems.
- cglace 11y agoI have no problem calling out America for its faults. I just misinterpreted the comment and thought they were saying America was worse than Nazi Germany. I didn't realize they were talking just about data collection.
- tete 11y agoHuh? Why? It's true. If you look about the possibilities then they were way more limited. In in a more general sense. The Stasi was limited to a handful individuals that they wanted to surveil. If their limit was reached they had to choose which other person to give up. That means that there still was nothing even close to mass surveillance. That's an established fact that one can read up in a random history book. Civil Liberties are not big in the US anymore. I think that's also kind of established. Or do you have something that disproves that? Also hint hint, I've got no reason to talk bad about the US. I actually often talk good about the US. There is a bunch of stuff that everyone should copy. Like the Freedom of Information Act that still seems to be pretty much unique to the US. Have I confused you now? ;) And yeah, I am sorry. I didn't write that sentence in the nicest way. I am however not even denying the fact that there is many countries doing worse and fewer and fewer that could be doing better. But if you think I only wanna talk bad about the US it's your right to do so. Just saying it's not true as I actually think that a change in US politics regarding these things is one of the few chances for pretty much the whole world to stop being in a downward spiral when it comes to civil liberties. Right now everyone is pointing at each other being like "It's okay that we take those liberties away, because country X is doing it too". It's like history and long thought for rights are getting reversed. And the intention is not to talk bad about the US, but to talk bad about all those things, kind of hoping that the US starts a trend for civil liberties (again), because I think that's maybe the most likely country others will copycat from. Sorry, having no national pride, so I'm usually a bit blunt about those things and how I word them. Will try to find a better wording next time. :)
- cglace 11y agoI wasn't responding out of national pride. I just thought you were making a knee jerk, America is worse than Nazi Germany, comment. I didn't realize you were talking about data collection alone. My bad.
- chrisbennet 11y agoStasi was the East German secret police during the cold war. Nothing to do with Nazis (but if you read it quick, it does look like "Nazi").