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Programming in Java and C/C++ feels like putting my balls in a vice, personally. No language is perfect (Mostly because languages tend to copy from C/C++ or Jav

Programming in Java and C/C++ feels like putting my balls in a vice, personally. No language is perfect (Mostly because languages tend to copy from C/C++ or Java (See: Go)), but damn do those two make it hard.

jimfl 17y ago
It would give your statement more weight to know what paradigm you prefer.
- ThinkWriteMute 17y ago
  I started with Ruby, and Python, so I like open and clear reading/writing, but even Ruby/Python tends to lay it on thick. It's like the developers think they have to add all this syntax just to be popular. define fib_seq with (x,y) .. end I guess what I really want is a programming language that's really fucking easy to teach people. C/C++ and Java are absolutely not it.
  - loup-vaillant 17y ago
    Chris Okasaki wrote such a language. One of it's features was mandatory indentation (like python). Why mandatory indentation was effective at making a language learn-able, he didn't really know for sure, but he suspected it is because there is less visual noise. If you want to make a super easy-to-teach, I suggest you try the following: (1) Mandatory indentation. This is one of the most influencing factors. (2) As little syntax as you can afford. (3) An interactive loop. It makes Tinkering easy. (4) A simple, probably dynamic, type system (numbers, chars and functions are probably enough). If you go the static route, there is no other way than Hindley-Milner based type systems. They are quite complex and their paranoia annoy some students, though. The closest I can think of right now would be a scheme without parentheses, like in http://www.genyris.com/ http://www.genyris.com/
    - ThinkWriteMute 17y ago
      This is great advice, thanks :)
  - scott_s 17y ago
    That's probably not what he meant by "paradigm": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_paradigm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_paradigm

jimfl 17y ago

It would give your statement more weight to know what paradigm you prefer.

ThinkWriteMute 17y ago
I started with Ruby, and Python, so I like open and clear reading/writing, but even Ruby/Python tends to lay it on thick. It's like the developers think they have to add all this syntax just to be popular. define fib_seq with (x,y) .. end I guess what I really want is a programming language that's really fucking easy to teach people. C/C++ and Java are absolutely not it.
- loup-vaillant 17y ago
  Chris Okasaki wrote such a language. One of it's features was mandatory indentation (like python). Why mandatory indentation was effective at making a language learn-able, he didn't really know for sure, but he suspected it is because there is less visual noise. If you want to make a super easy-to-teach, I suggest you try the following: (1) Mandatory indentation. This is one of the most influencing factors. (2) As little syntax as you can afford. (3) An interactive loop. It makes Tinkering easy. (4) A simple, probably dynamic, type system (numbers, chars and functions are probably enough). If you go the static route, there is no other way than Hindley-Milner based type systems. They are quite complex and their paranoia annoy some students, though. The closest I can think of right now would be a scheme without parentheses, like in http://www.genyris.com/ http://www.genyris.com/
  - ThinkWriteMute 17y ago
    This is great advice, thanks :)
- scott_s 17y ago
  That's probably not what he meant by "paradigm": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_paradigm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_paradigm