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On one hand I hate spammers and their ilk. On the other hand, I have to congratulate them on finding a neat hack around spam filters which is technically not br

On one hand I hate spammers and their ilk. On the other hand, I have to congratulate them on finding a neat hack around spam filters which is technically not breaking false claimant laws . The simple fix is to disable $0.00 invoices as any actual invoice for services not rendered is fraud.

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magicmu 11y ago
It can, however, be useful to get invoices for purchases that were discounted down to $0.00. At the startup I'm with we often give new customers a $0.00 trial rate, but they still want invoices so their billing department can keep track. Of course, this billing system isn't using PayPal, but just a thought.
- ikeboy 11y ago
  Not invoices per se, but if you buy something on eBay using only eBay gift cards, it processes as a PayPal "transaction" of $0.00. I've got a bunch of those in my email, always interesting to see "You sent a payment of $0.00 USD to X".
minikites 11y ago
What about sending out a replacement product to a customer? A given business process may be simpler if you generate a $0 invoice for replacements.
- hluska 11y ago
  Especially if your inventory system requires an invoice number in order to -x from inventory.
bhartzer 11y ago
I agree, but what if the invoice was $1.00 or even $25.00. It would have the same effect, which would be to get the receiver to visit their website?
- notahacker 11y ago
  Sure, but Paypal et al might take a more active interest in shutting down service access for fraudulent payment demands than message spam
ChuckMcM 11y ago
Actually a simpler fix is to hold $10 in the user's paypal account for each $0 invoice they send, and if the invoice is reported back as spam they keep the $10, otherwise after 90 days they release it back to the (potential) spammer. Doing this with funds in the account, rather than with a (likely) stolen credit card, works very well. For accounts which keep an average balance > $minimum you could wave the $10 hold and just confiscate $10 every time someone reported their $0 invoice as spam.
shostack 11y ago
Yeah, as much as I hate it, I always find myself appreciating the ingenuity that goes into these things. Another similar spam hack (that unless I'm mistaken is also legal) is the recent plague of Google Analytics referrer spam targeting people who pay attention to their GA referral reports.[1] It has actually caused some issues given that the volume can be quite significant and can easily skew your overall numbers by quite a bit if left unfiltered. [1] https://moz.com/blog/how-to-stop-spam-bots-from-ruining-your-analytics-referral-data https://moz.com/blog/how-to-stop-spam-bots-from-ruining-your...

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magicmu 11y ago

It can, however, be useful to get invoices for purchases that were discounted down to $0.00. At the startup I'm with we often give new customers a $0.00 trial rate, but they still want invoices so their billing department can keep track. Of course, this billing system isn't using PayPal, but just a thought.

ikeboy 11y ago
Not invoices per se, but if you buy something on eBay using only eBay gift cards, it processes as a PayPal "transaction" of $0.00. I've got a bunch of those in my email, always interesting to see "You sent a payment of $0.00 USD to X".

minikites 11y ago

What about sending out a replacement product to a customer? A given business process may be simpler if you generate a $0 invoice for replacements.

hluska 11y ago
Especially if your inventory system requires an invoice number in order to -x from inventory.

bhartzer 11y ago

I agree, but what if the invoice was $1.00 or even $25.00. It would have the same effect, which would be to get the receiver to visit their website?

notahacker 11y ago
Sure, but Paypal et al might take a more active interest in shutting down service access for fraudulent payment demands than message spam

ChuckMcM 11y ago

Actually a simpler fix is to hold $10 in the user's paypal account for each $0 invoice they send, and if the invoice is reported back as spam they keep the $10, otherwise after 90 days they release it back to the (potential) spammer. Doing this with funds in the account, rather than with a (likely) stolen credit card, works very well. For accounts which keep an average balance > $minimum you could wave the $10 hold and just confiscate $10 every time someone reported their $0 invoice as spam.

shostack 11y ago

Yeah, as much as I hate it, I always find myself appreciating the ingenuity that goes into these things. Another similar spam hack (that unless I'm mistaken is also legal) is the recent plague of Google Analytics referrer spam targeting people who pay attention to their GA referral reports.[1] It has actually caused some issues given that the volume can be quite significant and can easily skew your overall numbers by quite a bit if left unfiltered. [1] https://moz.com/blog/how-to-stop-spam-bots-from-ruining-your-analytics-referral-data https://moz.com/blog/how-to-stop-spam-bots-from-ruining-your...