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Heroku is expensive when considering you can use similar tools on a vps for a fraction of the cost (or get a whole lot more for your money). And yeah, when you

by criley2 11y ago

Heroku is expensive when considering you can use similar tools on a vps for a fraction of the cost (or get a whole lot more for your money). And yeah, when you charge $20 for SSL, you're expensive.

cheez 11y ago
When you have to spend even 10 hours a year maintaining that vps, I think most PaaS pay for themselves.
- criley2 11y ago
  I'm sorry but at $20/mo for basic SSL, you can easily spend $40/mo on Heroku for ONE app, almost $500/yr! A private VPS with enough resources for 4 of those same apps would be 2-4X cheaper. If your time is so valuable that you can waste money like that, congratulations, but many of us find halving a price and learning marketable skills in the process to be valuable.
  - cheez 11y ago
    It's $20/month for basic SSL for custom domains. You can still have SSL at https://your-app-name.herokuapp.com https://your-app-name.herokuapp.com. If your app is so important that SSL is necessary, that's worth $500/year. Or your app isn't that important and the point is moot.
seanwilson 11y ago
> Heroku is expensive when considering you can use similar tools on a vps Do you know what Heroku offers over a VPS? They're not the same thing.
- criley2 11y ago
  Heroku does not offer much over VPS+Dokku. For the money, Heroku offers far far less than VPS+Dokku
  - josegonzalez 11y ago
    Speaking as one of the Dokku maintainers, that is a false statement. Security, true isolation, the ability to easily scale horizontally and vertically, integrations into many services are all things Heroku offers that you need to work hard for in Dokku. Disregarding the fact that you need to maintain your own server(s) with Dokku, Heroku is tthe clear winner here. The only thing Dokku offers people is the ability to save some money at the cost of their own time. Sure, I can manage just fine as I was maintaining my own servers anyhow - and know how - but honestly I already have a dayjob, why would I want to make my programming hobby more work?
mark_l_watson 11y ago
I front end with Cloudflare to get HTTPS. I have probably spent a thousand (paid) hours doing devops for customers. For my own projects I don't want to spend the time.

by criley2 11y ago

Heroku is expensive when considering you can use similar tools on a vps for a fraction of the cost (or get a whole lot more for your money). And yeah, when you charge $20 for SSL, you're expensive.

cheez 11y ago

When you have to spend even 10 hours a year maintaining that vps, I think most PaaS pay for themselves.

criley2 11y ago
I'm sorry but at $20/mo for basic SSL, you can easily spend $40/mo on Heroku for ONE app, almost $500/yr! A private VPS with enough resources for 4 of those same apps would be 2-4X cheaper. If your time is so valuable that you can waste money like that, congratulations, but many of us find halving a price and learning marketable skills in the process to be valuable.
- cheez 11y ago
  It's $20/month for basic SSL for custom domains. You can still have SSL at https://your-app-name.herokuapp.com https://your-app-name.herokuapp.com. If your app is so important that SSL is necessary, that's worth $500/year. Or your app isn't that important and the point is moot.

seanwilson 11y ago

> Heroku is expensive when considering you can use similar tools on a vps Do you know what Heroku offers over a VPS? They're not the same thing.

criley2 11y ago
Heroku does not offer much over VPS+Dokku. For the money, Heroku offers far far less than VPS+Dokku
- josegonzalez 11y ago
  Speaking as one of the Dokku maintainers, that is a false statement. Security, true isolation, the ability to easily scale horizontally and vertically, integrations into many services are all things Heroku offers that you need to work hard for in Dokku. Disregarding the fact that you need to maintain your own server(s) with Dokku, Heroku is tthe clear winner here. The only thing Dokku offers people is the ability to save some money at the cost of their own time. Sure, I can manage just fine as I was maintaining my own servers anyhow - and know how - but honestly I already have a dayjob, why would I want to make my programming hobby more work?

mark_l_watson 11y ago

I front end with Cloudflare to get HTTPS. I have probably spent a thousand (paid) hours doing devops for customers. For my own projects I don't want to spend the time.