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Chargers work outside, I fully expect to see charging infrastructure built out for: -Work parking(Leeds cert already has started this) -Apartments(upscale wor

Chargers work outside, I fully expect to see charging infrastructure built out for: -Work parking(Leeds cert already has started this) -Apartments(upscale working to downscale probably) -Exterior parking. Even if you don't have a garage there's no reason you can't still plugin where you park at home(or at work) since most chargers are all weather. There's also a huge incentive to built charging infra at shopping areas as you've got a captive audience(for 20-30 mins). There was a leaked slide deck a while back from some of the SuperCharger contractors showing businesses in the area where SCs installed seeing at 50% boost in revenue.

chc 11y ago
Are you thinking of affordable charging, or the commercial chargers that are springing up in parking lots all over the place that cost like $4 an hour? Because I don't see how the latter solves the problem for people who are not rich, but it seems to be the only solution anyone has to offer right now. I'm not saying I think the problem is intractable, just that I think fueling is still a big problem with EVs for most people.
- mikeash 11y ago
  It's a problem which will go away as popularity grows. If you have your own garage then you're all set now, obviously. If you park in a shared garage, it's pretty simple to install a charger there. Garages still have electricity. It could be dedicated for you, or shared with metering. Either way, it's pretty straightforward. What can be hard, depending on who you're dealing with, is convincing the garage owner to let you do this. As EVs become more common, catering to their owners will become more desirable. It's one thing to block installing chargers when one tenant wants one, and quite another when 10% of your tenants want them. The same story plays out with street parking. In terms of infrastructure it's no big deal, and the main obstacle is political. As EVs become more common, that will go away.
  - vvanders 11y ago
    Good news is Oregon(and some other states soon) has laws that your HoA cannot legally prevent you from installing a charger(although at your own cost).
- knicholes 11y ago
  The Adobe building in Lehi, UT provides 12 free EV chargers. (It's not just for Adobe employees, either). Anyone is free to come and use the chargers.
- vvanders 11y ago
  $4hr? Ouch. Here almost all of them are metered at 0.24c / kWh(even for chademo) which is about 4x actual electricity rates but much better than that.
  - ejolto 11y ago
    Less than a fourth of a cent per kWh? So 4 kWh costs less than a cent? Where do you live?

chc 11y ago

Are you thinking of affordable charging, or the commercial chargers that are springing up in parking lots all over the place that cost like $4 an hour? Because I don't see how the latter solves the problem for people who are not rich, but it seems to be the only solution anyone has to offer right now. I'm not saying I think the problem is intractable, just that I think fueling is still a big problem with EVs for most people.

mikeash 11y ago
It's a problem which will go away as popularity grows. If you have your own garage then you're all set now, obviously. If you park in a shared garage, it's pretty simple to install a charger there. Garages still have electricity. It could be dedicated for you, or shared with metering. Either way, it's pretty straightforward. What can be hard, depending on who you're dealing with, is convincing the garage owner to let you do this. As EVs become more common, catering to their owners will become more desirable. It's one thing to block installing chargers when one tenant wants one, and quite another when 10% of your tenants want them. The same story plays out with street parking. In terms of infrastructure it's no big deal, and the main obstacle is political. As EVs become more common, that will go away.
- vvanders 11y ago
  Good news is Oregon(and some other states soon) has laws that your HoA cannot legally prevent you from installing a charger(although at your own cost).
knicholes 11y ago
The Adobe building in Lehi, UT provides 12 free EV chargers. (It's not just for Adobe employees, either). Anyone is free to come and use the chargers.
vvanders 11y ago
$4hr? Ouch. Here almost all of them are metered at 0.24c / kWh(even for chademo) which is about 4x actual electricity rates but much better than that.
- ejolto 11y ago
  Less than a fourth of a cent per kWh? So 4 kWh costs less than a cent? Where do you live?