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I personally got into web development with jQuery. Some years I go it was a must, now a days, I find it unnecessary and I don't use it any more. Is this just me

I personally got into web development with jQuery. Some years I go it was a must, now a days, I find it unnecessary and I don't use it any more. Is this just me or is transition people is doing ??

savanaly 11y ago
I can think of two main areas that jQuery is useful in which have diminished in importance over the years a) smoothed over differences between browsers. With the web being taken more seriously by everyone, the browser implementers are much more careful about all following the same standard so with every year that goes by there are fewer cross browser quirks to worry about (it's still a major pain today though) b) providing convenience methods for manipulating the dom and working with data etc. I think jQuery has less of a role to play since ES5 and ES6 are how javascript is written nowadays and have more advanced features than js did in jquery's heyday. Also, for advanced client side apps, frameworks like angular and ember also provide such features.
- hellofunk 11y ago
  Google Closure also satisfies these, no?
swang 11y ago
jQuery was popular because of the cross-browser functionality it offered, since having to read about all the different quirks was a huge time sink. Also being able to use a selector $() to grab DOM nodes was _huge_. So easy and convenient. I think once web apps starting getting larger and larger, jQuery became more and more of a hinderance (since it offered no framework for structuring apps).
- kedean 11y ago
  jQuery was popular because it was easily grokked by people who were more designers than developers. It had lots of competition early on, my favorite being MooTools, many of which were far better designed and had equal cross-browser support. jQuery was simply more accessible to people without a solid programming backgroud. Had the world gone with one of the many other options back in the day, I think we might be in a better place already.
  - mattmanser 11y ago
    I don't see what this adds apart from sour grapes. It would help if you told us what insight we missed about MooTools that would have made the world a better place? Why jQuery has made it such a miserable one?
    - kedean 11y ago
      I'm not trying to be sour, sorry, I'm just pointing out that jQuery didn't win due to some special superiority that it has. It is in no way better than any of the competition that it had in the early days. jQuery works, of course, but it didn't do anything special in terms of functionality or capabilities. It had everything to do with the audience it appealed to early on.
      - level3 11y ago
        jQuery's understandability is part of its superiority over MooTools. When I was first looking for a Javascript library years ago, it was better documented than other libraries, it was more readable (particularly method names), and didn't lean towards OOP (I admit I personally hated Java). MooTools and other libraries might possibly be more powerful if you are developing in Javascript in general, but for web development I primarily care about DOM manipulation, and it was much easier to pick up jQuery than anything else at the time. It's a mistake to think that languages should win out simply based on functionality and capabilities, without taking into account things like ease of use and learning curve.
      - DCoder 11y ago
        One thing worth noting: MooTools, Prototype.js and some other libraries were fond of extending built-in object prototypes. jQuery wasn't. ES7 wanted to introduce an Array#contains method. But due to prototype extension issues like https://esdiscuss.org/topic/having-a-non-enumerable-array-prototype-contains-may-not-be-web-compatible https://esdiscuss.org/topic/having-a-non-enumerable-array-pr... , they had to rename it to Array#includes ...
vlunkr 11y ago
I think as we've moved into "web apps" rather than web pages with some dynamic content, jQuery is being replaced by /react/ember/angular/etc. Still a great library that served it's purpose for a long time.
- ufmace 11y ago
  Not sure about React, Ember, or Angular 2, but Angular 1 actually includes JQuery, albeit in a reduced version IIRC.

I personally got into web development with jQuery. Some years I go it was a must, now a days, I find it unnecessary and I don't use it any more. Is this just me or is transition people is doing ??

savanaly 11y ago

I can think of two main areas that jQuery is useful in which have diminished in importance over the years a) smoothed over differences between browsers. With the web being taken more seriously by everyone, the browser implementers are much more careful about all following the same standard so with every year that goes by there are fewer cross browser quirks to worry about (it's still a major pain today though) b) providing convenience methods for manipulating the dom and working with data etc. I think jQuery has less of a role to play since ES5 and ES6 are how javascript is written nowadays and have more advanced features than js did in jquery's heyday. Also, for advanced client side apps, frameworks like angular and ember also provide such features.

hellofunk 11y ago
Google Closure also satisfies these, no?

swang 11y ago

jQuery was popular because of the cross-browser functionality it offered, since having to read about all the different quirks was a huge time sink. Also being able to use a selector $() to grab DOM nodes was _huge_. So easy and convenient. I think once web apps starting getting larger and larger, jQuery became more and more of a hinderance (since it offered no framework for structuring apps).

kedean 11y ago
jQuery was popular because it was easily grokked by people who were more designers than developers. It had lots of competition early on, my favorite being MooTools, many of which were far better designed and had equal cross-browser support. jQuery was simply more accessible to people without a solid programming backgroud. Had the world gone with one of the many other options back in the day, I think we might be in a better place already.
- mattmanser 11y ago
  I don't see what this adds apart from sour grapes. It would help if you told us what insight we missed about MooTools that would have made the world a better place? Why jQuery has made it such a miserable one?
  - kedean 11y ago
    I'm not trying to be sour, sorry, I'm just pointing out that jQuery didn't win due to some special superiority that it has. It is in no way better than any of the competition that it had in the early days. jQuery works, of course, but it didn't do anything special in terms of functionality or capabilities. It had everything to do with the audience it appealed to early on.
    - level3 11y ago
      jQuery's understandability is part of its superiority over MooTools. When I was first looking for a Javascript library years ago, it was better documented than other libraries, it was more readable (particularly method names), and didn't lean towards OOP (I admit I personally hated Java). MooTools and other libraries might possibly be more powerful if you are developing in Javascript in general, but for web development I primarily care about DOM manipulation, and it was much easier to pick up jQuery than anything else at the time. It's a mistake to think that languages should win out simply based on functionality and capabilities, without taking into account things like ease of use and learning curve.
    - DCoder 11y ago
      One thing worth noting: MooTools, Prototype.js and some other libraries were fond of extending built-in object prototypes. jQuery wasn't. ES7 wanted to introduce an Array#contains method. But due to prototype extension issues like https://esdiscuss.org/topic/having-a-non-enumerable-array-prototype-contains-may-not-be-web-compatible https://esdiscuss.org/topic/having-a-non-enumerable-array-pr... , they had to rename it to Array#includes ...

vlunkr 11y ago

I think as we've moved into "web apps" rather than web pages with some dynamic content, jQuery is being replaced by /react/ember/angular/etc. Still a great library that served it's purpose for a long time.

ufmace 11y ago
Not sure about React, Ember, or Angular 2, but Angular 1 actually includes JQuery, albeit in a reduced version IIRC.