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> The LHC collides TWO protons! The net velocity between them is zero. Yes, but only because their original velocity has been converted into other forms of kin

by lutusp 11y ago

> The LHC collides TWO protons! The net velocity between them is zero. Yes, but only because their original velocity has been converted into other forms of kinetic energy, like heat and light, among other things like Higgs bosons. Here is what you said: > Kinetic energy does not become heat and light. I proved your statement to be false. End of story. Now stop trolling.

ars 11y ago
LOL LOL LOL. You most certain did not. Is this like some kind of contest to you to see if you win? Even if you win, you'll still be wrong. Instead of focusing on that, why not actually learn something? "To make heat and light you need some other process." For example, another proton to crash into. You can't just directly convert the velocity to energy, you need another object take the velocity from you.
- lutusp 11y ago
  Before: > Kinetic energy does not become heat and light. Now: > "To make heat and light you need some other process." Translation: "You were right." Apart from the fact that heat and light are kinetic energy. Further reading: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gravitational-wave-rumors-in-overdrive/ http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gravitational-wave... Quote from the above article: "LIGO's detectors, at their current sensitivity, could pick up only gravitational waves of frequencies well above 10 Hertz. So if they have picked up a signal, they would have captured the final stages of the drama, when the black holes circle more than 10 times per second, speeding up to several thousand times a second just before they merge. Simulations show that the resulting waves, if played as an audible sound, resemble a bird’s ‘chirp’ (http://www.ligo.org/science/GW-Inspiral.php http://www.ligo.org/science/GW-Inspiral.php) (http://www.ligo.org/science/GW-Overview/sounds/chirp40-1300Hz.wav http://www.ligo.org/science/GW-Overview/sounds/chirp40-1300H...)." My original remark from yesterday, to which you ignorantly objected: "... eventually two black holes will merge, which will produce a completely fantastic observation consisting of a rapidly rising frequency (as the two BHs circle each other closer and closer, shedding their orbital energy as gravitational waves), followed by a very loud cosmological pop as the BHs finally collapse into each other."
  - ars 11y ago
    You clearly have problems reading. I have said exactly the same thing the entire time, only you kept ignoring it. Or, to be charitable, maybe just not understanding it. Just because you don't understand the words I said, doesn't mean I didn't say it. Do you need me to quote myself? Also, I take it you did not ever study physics? If you did you would know this on your own without me telling you. What I said, over and over, is you can not turn velocity into light directly, you have to transfer that velocity to something else. In an event horizon there is nothing to transfer the velocity to, since everything is moving more or less at the same speed. I don't know why you can't seem to absorb this. I really don't. It's basic highschool physics, plus I've said it over and over and over and over. In as many different ways as I can think of. > Apart from the fact that heat and light are kinetic energy. Are you totally incapable of absorbing information? I know that sounds insulting, but I am serious. You keep saying the same wrong thing over and over despite being told different. You are wrong. Period. It's like you have a mental block stopping you from understanding this, I don't get it. > ... eventually two black holes will merge, which will produce a completely fantastic observation consisting of a rapidly rising frequency (as the two BHs circle each other closer and closer, shedding their orbital energy as gravitational waves), followed by a very loud cosmological pop as the BHs finally collapse into each other." Back to this, very nice. The problem is that they won't actually do this - time dilation means it will take infinite time for this to happen, so we'll never see this. Not sure what the point of telling you this is though. If you can't understand Conservation of Momentum there is zero chance you'll understand relativity. Try this - stop arguing with me. Clearly I'm not the teacher for you. Go find some other people - show them this thread if you like. Then have them explain Conservation of Momentum to you. Also ask them to explain the difference between kinetic and electromagnetic energy. Please do that before replying, otherwise we'll just be going in a circle.
    - lutusp 11y ago
      > I have said exactly the same thing the entire time This is a lie -- you keep changing your claim to keep up with the facts other people provide you with. Examples below. > What I said, over and over, is you can not turn velocity into light directly, you have to transfer that velocity to something else. That's not what you said originally, and you are now lying. You said that "Kinetic energy does not become heat and light. Kinetic energy is velocity." Both statements are false (velocity is one of many examples of kinetic energy but the reverse claim is an error of omission), and I provided the literature references, which you refused to read. You earlier said: > Friction might cause objects to equalize in velocity, but can not actually reduce velocity (only share it amongst the objects). Totally false -- velocity is not conserved, energy is conserved. There's no conservation of velocity law. If you were a scientist, if you knew anything about physics and possessed intellectual integrity, you would drop a lump of clay, watch it abruptly stop at the floor as it efficiently converts velocity into heat. Or two billiard balls on a collision course, or two protons at the LHC, etc. etc.. > Clearly I'm not the teacher for you. "The teacher?" You're utterly ignorant and a narcissist to boot. You're severely mentally ill, unfortunately there's no cure for malignant narcissism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malignant_narcissism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malignant_narcissism). We're done -- you have to learn this on your own without embarrassing yourself further in this public forum. Have a nice day.

by lutusp 11y ago

ars 11y ago

LOL LOL LOL. You most certain did not. Is this like some kind of contest to you to see if you win? Even if you win, you'll still be wrong. Instead of focusing on that, why not actually learn something? "To make heat and light you need some other process." For example, another proton to crash into. You can't just directly convert the velocity to energy, you need another object take the velocity from you.

lutusp 11y ago
Before: > Kinetic energy does not become heat and light. Now: > "To make heat and light you need some other process." Translation: "You were right." Apart from the fact that heat and light are kinetic energy. Further reading: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gravitational-wave-rumors-in-overdrive/ http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gravitational-wave... Quote from the above article: "LIGO's detectors, at their current sensitivity, could pick up only gravitational waves of frequencies well above 10 Hertz. So if they have picked up a signal, they would have captured the final stages of the drama, when the black holes circle more than 10 times per second, speeding up to several thousand times a second just before they merge. Simulations show that the resulting waves, if played as an audible sound, resemble a bird’s ‘chirp’ (http://www.ligo.org/science/GW-Inspiral.php http://www.ligo.org/science/GW-Inspiral.php) (http://www.ligo.org/science/GW-Overview/sounds/chirp40-1300Hz.wav http://www.ligo.org/science/GW-Overview/sounds/chirp40-1300H...)." My original remark from yesterday, to which you ignorantly objected: "... eventually two black holes will merge, which will produce a completely fantastic observation consisting of a rapidly rising frequency (as the two BHs circle each other closer and closer, shedding their orbital energy as gravitational waves), followed by a very loud cosmological pop as the BHs finally collapse into each other."
- ars 11y ago
  You clearly have problems reading. I have said exactly the same thing the entire time, only you kept ignoring it. Or, to be charitable, maybe just not understanding it. Just because you don't understand the words I said, doesn't mean I didn't say it. Do you need me to quote myself? Also, I take it you did not ever study physics? If you did you would know this on your own without me telling you. What I said, over and over, is you can not turn velocity into light directly, you have to transfer that velocity to something else. In an event horizon there is nothing to transfer the velocity to, since everything is moving more or less at the same speed. I don't know why you can't seem to absorb this. I really don't. It's basic highschool physics, plus I've said it over and over and over and over. In as many different ways as I can think of. > Apart from the fact that heat and light are kinetic energy. Are you totally incapable of absorbing information? I know that sounds insulting, but I am serious. You keep saying the same wrong thing over and over despite being told different. You are wrong. Period. It's like you have a mental block stopping you from understanding this, I don't get it. > ... eventually two black holes will merge, which will produce a completely fantastic observation consisting of a rapidly rising frequency (as the two BHs circle each other closer and closer, shedding their orbital energy as gravitational waves), followed by a very loud cosmological pop as the BHs finally collapse into each other." Back to this, very nice. The problem is that they won't actually do this - time dilation means it will take infinite time for this to happen, so we'll never see this. Not sure what the point of telling you this is though. If you can't understand Conservation of Momentum there is zero chance you'll understand relativity. Try this - stop arguing with me. Clearly I'm not the teacher for you. Go find some other people - show them this thread if you like. Then have them explain Conservation of Momentum to you. Also ask them to explain the difference between kinetic and electromagnetic energy. Please do that before replying, otherwise we'll just be going in a circle.
  - lutusp 11y ago
    > I have said exactly the same thing the entire time This is a lie -- you keep changing your claim to keep up with the facts other people provide you with. Examples below. > What I said, over and over, is you can not turn velocity into light directly, you have to transfer that velocity to something else. That's not what you said originally, and you are now lying. You said that "Kinetic energy does not become heat and light. Kinetic energy is velocity." Both statements are false (velocity is one of many examples of kinetic energy but the reverse claim is an error of omission), and I provided the literature references, which you refused to read. You earlier said: > Friction might cause objects to equalize in velocity, but can not actually reduce velocity (only share it amongst the objects). Totally false -- velocity is not conserved, energy is conserved. There's no conservation of velocity law. If you were a scientist, if you knew anything about physics and possessed intellectual integrity, you would drop a lump of clay, watch it abruptly stop at the floor as it efficiently converts velocity into heat. Or two billiard balls on a collision course, or two protons at the LHC, etc. etc.. > Clearly I'm not the teacher for you. "The teacher?" You're utterly ignorant and a narcissist to boot. You're severely mentally ill, unfortunately there's no cure for malignant narcissism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malignant_narcissism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malignant_narcissism). We're done -- you have to learn this on your own without embarrassing yourself further in this public forum. Have a nice day.