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>> it's converted to kinetic energy, it becomes heat and light. > Kinetic energy does not become heat and light. So have you told the LHC people that they're

by lutusp 11y ago

>> it's converted to kinetic energy, it becomes heat and light. > Kinetic energy does not become heat and light. So have you told the LHC people that they're misguided for thinking they can produce the Higgs Boson by colliding protons together? I'm sure you can persuade them how wrong they are. > Kinetic energy is velocity. Yes, among many other things: http://physics.info/energy/ http://physics.info/energy/ (see the table "Types of kinetic energy") Electromagnetic energy (heat and light) is a kind of kinetic energy. But you know what? I've decided not to try to correct all the errors you've made. If you actually understood physics, you wouldn't have objected to the things you have (you might have found a better reason to object). > Friction might cause objects to equalize in velocity, but can not actually reduce velocity ... Wow. Those fools in Europe are sure misguided to have spent so much money on a circular 17 mile pipe dream. if only they had consulted with you before building that monstrous contraption. They actually think their gadget can convert near-light-speed velocities into many other kinds of energy, including electromagnetic, and the creation of particles from energy and the reverse. Do them a favor -- set them straight, as you've set me straight.

ars 11y ago
You have GOT to be trolling me. There is no way. The LHC collides TWO protons! The net velocity between them is zero. You seem to know at least some physics, how can you possibly not know this? But in your black hole scenario there are not two opposite velocities adding up at the horizon. You can not just directly turn velocity into light, it's not possible, you need another object. > Electromagnetic energy (heat and light) is a kind of kinetic energy. Some people define only two kinds of energy: Potential and Kinetic, in that definition electromagnetic energy is a type of kinetic energy, and velocity is a type of kinetic energy. But it does NOT follow that electromagnetic energy is the same as velocity energy! It's like an apple is a fruit and an orange is a fruit, but an apple is not an orange. > They actually think their gadget can convert near-light-speed velocities into many other kinds of energy, including electromagnetic, and the creation of particles from energy and the reverse. I take it you've never heard of conservation of momentum? You can not just turn the velocity into other things, you have to react it with something else (which is what I said - go back and read it). In this case they react it with a proton going the other way. They could also react it with the earth, or a slab of metal. None of these apply to a black hole. We have also gotten way off topic from time dilation.
- lutusp 11y ago
  > The LHC collides TWO protons! The net velocity between them is zero. Yes, but only because their original velocity has been converted into other forms of kinetic energy, like heat and light, among other things like Higgs bosons. Here is what you said: > Kinetic energy does not become heat and light. I proved your statement to be false. End of story. Now stop trolling.
  - ars 11y ago
    LOL LOL LOL. You most certain did not. Is this like some kind of contest to you to see if you win? Even if you win, you'll still be wrong. Instead of focusing on that, why not actually learn something? "To make heat and light you need some other process." For example, another proton to crash into. You can't just directly convert the velocity to energy, you need another object take the velocity from you.
    - lutusp 11y ago
      Before: > Kinetic energy does not become heat and light. Now: > "To make heat and light you need some other process." Translation: "You were right." Apart from the fact that heat and light are kinetic energy. Further reading: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gravitational-wave-rumors-in-overdrive/ http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gravitational-wave... Quote from the above article: "LIGO's detectors, at their current sensitivity, could pick up only gravitational waves of frequencies well above 10 Hertz. So if they have picked up a signal, they would have captured the final stages of the drama, when the black holes circle more than 10 times per second, speeding up to several thousand times a second just before they merge. Simulations show that the resulting waves, if played as an audible sound, resemble a bird’s ‘chirp’ (http://www.ligo.org/science/GW-Inspiral.php http://www.ligo.org/science/GW-Inspiral.php) (http://www.ligo.org/science/GW-Overview/sounds/chirp40-1300Hz.wav http://www.ligo.org/science/GW-Overview/sounds/chirp40-1300H...)." My original remark from yesterday, to which you ignorantly objected: "... eventually two black holes will merge, which will produce a completely fantastic observation consisting of a rapidly rising frequency (as the two BHs circle each other closer and closer, shedding their orbital energy as gravitational waves), followed by a very loud cosmological pop as the BHs finally collapse into each other."

by lutusp 11y ago

ars 11y ago

You have GOT to be trolling me. There is no way. The LHC collides TWO protons! The net velocity between them is zero. You seem to know at least some physics, how can you possibly not know this? But in your black hole scenario there are not two opposite velocities adding up at the horizon. You can not just directly turn velocity into light, it's not possible, you need another object. > Electromagnetic energy (heat and light) is a kind of kinetic energy. Some people define only two kinds of energy: Potential and Kinetic, in that definition electromagnetic energy is a type of kinetic energy, and velocity is a type of kinetic energy. But it does NOT follow that electromagnetic energy is the same as velocity energy! It's like an apple is a fruit and an orange is a fruit, but an apple is not an orange. > They actually think their gadget can convert near-light-speed velocities into many other kinds of energy, including electromagnetic, and the creation of particles from energy and the reverse. I take it you've never heard of conservation of momentum? You can not just turn the velocity into other things, you have to react it with something else (which is what I said - go back and read it). In this case they react it with a proton going the other way. They could also react it with the earth, or a slab of metal. None of these apply to a black hole. We have also gotten way off topic from time dilation.

lutusp 11y ago
> The LHC collides TWO protons! The net velocity between them is zero. Yes, but only because their original velocity has been converted into other forms of kinetic energy, like heat and light, among other things like Higgs bosons. Here is what you said: > Kinetic energy does not become heat and light. I proved your statement to be false. End of story. Now stop trolling.
- ars 11y ago
  LOL LOL LOL. You most certain did not. Is this like some kind of contest to you to see if you win? Even if you win, you'll still be wrong. Instead of focusing on that, why not actually learn something? "To make heat and light you need some other process." For example, another proton to crash into. You can't just directly convert the velocity to energy, you need another object take the velocity from you.
  - lutusp 11y ago
    Before: > Kinetic energy does not become heat and light. Now: > "To make heat and light you need some other process." Translation: "You were right." Apart from the fact that heat and light are kinetic energy. Further reading: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gravitational-wave-rumors-in-overdrive/ http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gravitational-wave... Quote from the above article: "LIGO's detectors, at their current sensitivity, could pick up only gravitational waves of frequencies well above 10 Hertz. So if they have picked up a signal, they would have captured the final stages of the drama, when the black holes circle more than 10 times per second, speeding up to several thousand times a second just before they merge. Simulations show that the resulting waves, if played as an audible sound, resemble a bird’s ‘chirp’ (http://www.ligo.org/science/GW-Inspiral.php http://www.ligo.org/science/GW-Inspiral.php) (http://www.ligo.org/science/GW-Overview/sounds/chirp40-1300Hz.wav http://www.ligo.org/science/GW-Overview/sounds/chirp40-1300H...)." My original remark from yesterday, to which you ignorantly objected: "... eventually two black holes will merge, which will produce a completely fantastic observation consisting of a rapidly rising frequency (as the two BHs circle each other closer and closer, shedding their orbital energy as gravitational waves), followed by a very loud cosmological pop as the BHs finally collapse into each other."