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It's nothing to do with admins - it's ordinary users flagging items as not being appropriate for HN. They might even be interesting, it's just that some things

It's nothing to do with admins - it's ordinary users flagging items as not being appropriate for HN. They might even be interesting, it's just that some things are not on-topic. For example - spam really doesn't belong, and should be flagged. When that happens, the item is killed and is marked as [dead]. Do you have any specific item in mind?

detaro 11y ago
> It's nothing to do with admins - it's ordinary users flagging items as not being appropriate for HN. They might even be interesting, it's just that some things are not on-topic. Not entirely correct. [dead] is banned by some filter set up by the mods, user flags only lead to [flagged]/[dupe] markings on the individual submission (and attention of the mods, which then adjust the filters for future submissions based on this input) EDIT: This also goes the other way, I've sent dang links to things I thought were unfairly [dead] and where he agreed he fixed it/invited users to resubmit content to give it another chance. I guess now that vouch exists they look at that as well.
trtmrt 11y ago
Yes, specific thing is that if you share only own things you will be suspended completly. So, my additional question to this, are we unintentionally crating a structure/trend of followers instead of leaders? By encuraging people to follow instead to create?
- minimaxir 11y ago
  > Yes, specific thing is that if you share only own things you will be suspended completly. Er, that's spam and most websites would ban you for doing that, not just HN.
  - trtmrt 11y ago
    Are you ok with that? Why are pepole ok with sharing other people things, but it is not ok to share your own things?
    - CarolineW 11y ago
      You're not listening. Other people do share their own stuff, and don't get banned, and the items don't get flagged. GIVE US SOME EXAMPLES!
    - ctdonath 11y ago
      There's a difference between "hey, I found something y'all might find interesting" vs "hey, I wrote something and I'm trying to promote it".
      - DanBC 11y ago
        And HN is fine with "Hey, I made something and I'm trying to promote it". HN is not fine with "Hey, I made something and I'm trying to promote it". "Hey, I made something and I'm trying to promote it". "Hey, I made something and I'm trying to promote it". "Hey, I made something and I'm trying to promote it". "Hey, I made something and I'm trying to promote it". "Hey, I made something and I'm trying to promote it". "Hey, I made something and I'm trying to promote it". "Hey, I made something and I'm trying to promote it". "Hey, I made something and I'm trying to promote it". "Hey, I made something and I'm trying to promote it". [repeat]
    - detaro 11y ago
      It is ok to share your own stuff. I mean, look at the submission history of the guy you are responding to ;) minimaxir posts tons of his own content, but it is good content, and he also participates on the site otherwise. Also, agreed with CarolineW. Show examples.
      - minimaxir 11y ago
        The key word the OP mentioned is only: Here is his example account: https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=grisanik https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=grisanik All submissions are from one domain, and there are barely any comments.
        detaro 11y ago
- CarolineW 11y ago
  Have you considered that the content you're sharing is not really on-topic for HN? Do you have some links? There's nothing listed as submissions under your username. Quite a few people share mostly only their own things and they don't get banned.
- detaro 11y ago
  > Yes, specific thing is that if you share only own things you will be suspended completly. Not true. But there are many accounts that just post everything that appears on their blog, or submit ads for their own product over and over again and don't participate otherwise that are [dead]. Because they are often "mindlessly" spamming low-quality or not fitting articles and get marked as such.
- wmf 11y ago
  There needs to be one person besides yourself who thinks your work is HN-worthy. If that person exists, they'll post it to HN and you have no problem. If that person does not exist, then your work isn't HN-worthy and you shouldn't post it yourself. Instead of complaining about HN's rules, find one person who will vouch for your stuff.

detaro 11y ago

> It's nothing to do with admins - it's ordinary users flagging items as not being appropriate for HN. They might even be interesting, it's just that some things are not on-topic. Not entirely correct. [dead] is banned by some filter set up by the mods, user flags only lead to [flagged]/[dupe] markings on the individual submission (and attention of the mods, which then adjust the filters for future submissions based on this input) EDIT: This also goes the other way, I've sent dang links to things I thought were unfairly [dead] and where he agreed he fixed it/invited users to resubmit content to give it another chance. I guess now that vouch exists they look at that as well.

trtmrt 11y ago

Yes, specific thing is that if you share only own things you will be suspended completly. So, my additional question to this, are we unintentionally crating a structure/trend of followers instead of leaders? By encuraging people to follow instead to create?

minimaxir 11y ago
> Yes, specific thing is that if you share only own things you will be suspended completly. Er, that's spam and most websites would ban you for doing that, not just HN.
- trtmrt 11y ago
  Are you ok with that? Why are pepole ok with sharing other people things, but it is not ok to share your own things?
  - CarolineW 11y ago
    You're not listening. Other people do share their own stuff, and don't get banned, and the items don't get flagged. GIVE US SOME EXAMPLES!
  - ctdonath 11y ago
    There's a difference between "hey, I found something y'all might find interesting" vs "hey, I wrote something and I'm trying to promote it".
    - DanBC 11y ago
      And HN is fine with "Hey, I made something and I'm trying to promote it". HN is not fine with "Hey, I made something and I'm trying to promote it". "Hey, I made something and I'm trying to promote it". "Hey, I made something and I'm trying to promote it". "Hey, I made something and I'm trying to promote it". "Hey, I made something and I'm trying to promote it". "Hey, I made something and I'm trying to promote it". "Hey, I made something and I'm trying to promote it". "Hey, I made something and I'm trying to promote it". "Hey, I made something and I'm trying to promote it". "Hey, I made something and I'm trying to promote it". [repeat]
  - detaro 11y ago
    It is ok to share your own stuff. I mean, look at the submission history of the guy you are responding to ;) minimaxir posts tons of his own content, but it is good content, and he also participates on the site otherwise. Also, agreed with CarolineW. Show examples.
    - minimaxir 11y ago
      The key word the OP mentioned is only: Here is his example account: https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=grisanik https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=grisanik All submissions are from one domain, and there are barely any comments.
      - detaro 11y ago
CarolineW 11y ago
Have you considered that the content you're sharing is not really on-topic for HN? Do you have some links? There's nothing listed as submissions under your username. Quite a few people share mostly only their own things and they don't get banned.
detaro 11y ago
> Yes, specific thing is that if you share only own things you will be suspended completly. Not true. But there are many accounts that just post everything that appears on their blog, or submit ads for their own product over and over again and don't participate otherwise that are [dead]. Because they are often "mindlessly" spamming low-quality or not fitting articles and get marked as such.
wmf 11y ago
There needs to be one person besides yourself who thinks your work is HN-worthy. If that person exists, they'll post it to HN and you have no problem. If that person does not exist, then your work isn't HN-worthy and you shouldn't post it yourself. Instead of complaining about HN's rules, find one person who will vouch for your stuff.