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People are downvoting you and explaining why, but I'd like to ask you: Why do you think rationality and survival are specifically at odds with being a pirate?

vacri 11y ago
They're telling me about the 'job market in the age of sail', not about the problem at hand. Basically, you've pulled a strawman out of what I've said - I didn't say that rationality and survival were at odds with being a pirate. I said that if the pirates were "that strictly rational", that is, that they'd accept the ridiculous split given in the game, that they wouldn't be pirates in the first place. If you want to talk about pirates, cool, I love them and their history, let's talk about pirates! But if you want to make a game with humans adhering to ridiculous artificial rules, then lets throw some spanners in those works. I'm actually trying to inject some humanity into the problem, highlighting (as others have) that we're talking about humans here, not logic gates. If the pirates were so extreme in their rationality, then they wouldn't be pirates in the first place. Talk of such grandiose concepts like self-determination seems out of place when you have 80% of the crew being satisfied with a measly two coins.
- mmanfrin 11y ago
  "If the pirates were that strictly rational and interested in their own survival, they wouldn't be pirates" to which I replied "Why do you think rationality and survival are specifically at odds with being a pirate?" Your comment is distilled down to if strictly rational and & interested in survival, then not pirates So my question asking why you think this is not following incorrect logic, let alone a strawman -- if you're going to be pedantic about rhetoric then at least know what fallacy you're accusing of me means. You can't just say 'thats a strawman!' when someone drills down on your argument.
  - vacri 11y ago
    I never said that rationality and survival were at odds with being a pirate - that's something you injected into my words, hence strawman. I said that the strict rationality in the article was; the extreme nature of the rationality described. I mean, I even italicised the word 'strictly' in my reply, to clearly indicate the important bit of my comment that you blithely removed to create your strawman. You didn't 'drill down' my argument, you twisted it to say something I never said. It's like if I said "if a person inhales too much water, they can drown" and you replied "why do you think water is at odds with survival?". Hell, even in this new "distillation" of yours, the word 'strictly' is used. If you're a fan of rhetoric, then get on board with the meanings of words. And if you want to be pedantic, I didn't just say "that's a strawman", I pointed out why it was.

vacri 11y ago

They're telling me about the 'job market in the age of sail', not about the problem at hand. Basically, you've pulled a strawman out of what I've said - I didn't say that rationality and survival were at odds with being a pirate. I said that if the pirates were "that strictly rational", that is, that they'd accept the ridiculous split given in the game, that they wouldn't be pirates in the first place. If you want to talk about pirates, cool, I love them and their history, let's talk about pirates! But if you want to make a game with humans adhering to ridiculous artificial rules, then lets throw some spanners in those works. I'm actually trying to inject some humanity into the problem, highlighting (as others have) that we're talking about humans here, not logic gates. If the pirates were so extreme in their rationality, then they wouldn't be pirates in the first place. Talk of such grandiose concepts like self-determination seems out of place when you have 80% of the crew being satisfied with a measly two coins.

mmanfrin 11y ago
"If the pirates were that strictly rational and interested in their own survival, they wouldn't be pirates" to which I replied "Why do you think rationality and survival are specifically at odds with being a pirate?" Your comment is distilled down to if strictly rational and & interested in survival, then not pirates So my question asking why you think this is not following incorrect logic, let alone a strawman -- if you're going to be pedantic about rhetoric then at least know what fallacy you're accusing of me means. You can't just say 'thats a strawman!' when someone drills down on your argument.
- vacri 11y ago
  I never said that rationality and survival were at odds with being a pirate - that's something you injected into my words, hence strawman. I said that the strict rationality in the article was; the extreme nature of the rationality described. I mean, I even italicised the word 'strictly' in my reply, to clearly indicate the important bit of my comment that you blithely removed to create your strawman. You didn't 'drill down' my argument, you twisted it to say something I never said. It's like if I said "if a person inhales too much water, they can drown" and you replied "why do you think water is at odds with survival?". Hell, even in this new "distillation" of yours, the word 'strictly' is used. If you're a fan of rhetoric, then get on board with the meanings of words. And if you want to be pedantic, I didn't just say "that's a strawman", I pointed out why it was.