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They promote freedom but specifically forbid the use of Windows. Not everyone has the choice to not use Windows at certain points in the day, VMs aren't perfect

by moftz 11y ago

They promote freedom but specifically forbid the use of Windows. Not everyone has the choice to not use Windows at certain points in the day, VMs aren't perfect. Forbidding the bare-metal usage of Windows is ridiculous.

geofft 11y ago
I mean, they're promoting the freedom to use a bunch of 2006–2009-era ThinkPads and MacBooks, and if you use the git release, a couple of motherboards from the same time period and maybe one 2015 Chromebook if you're lucky. I appreciate that this work is being done (though I'm unclear on where the coreboot/libreboot line lies, but anyway), but calling it "freedom" is a stretch. It very much feels like the freedom to move to an abandoned island and not pay taxes or be subject to any government.
- nly 11y ago
  > It very much feels like the freedom to move to an abandoned island and not pay taxes or be subject to any government. Except, unless I'm mistaken, US citizens don't even have that freedom. Unless you renounce your citizenship, you pay US taxes wherever you live, unless there's a tax treaty of some kind in place between the US and your country of residence.
- zokier 11y ago
  > though I'm unclear on where the coreboot/libreboot line lies afaik libreboot is "just" deblobbed coreboot
- deno 11y ago
  > It very much feels like the freedom to move to an abandoned island and not pay taxes or be subject to any government. It might be a stretch to be able to use Coreboot for work or entertainment at the moment, unfortunately. But consider that those specs are just fine for most privacy sensitive stuff. Tor, email, banking… etc. So for a separate, trusted, privacy-focused box a few years old, slightly slower CPU is not a big deal. And you get the compartmentalization for free! That’s my perspective, at least.
deno 11y ago
Windows is just unsupported. It’s not “forbidden.” Coreboot has SeaBIOS and UEFI implementation as payloads that are os-independent. So Windows might work. Or not. You shouldn’t want to run Windows on a privacy sensitive workstation though. Compartmentalization and all that.

by moftz 11y ago

geofft 11y ago

I mean, they're promoting the freedom to use a bunch of 2006–2009-era ThinkPads and MacBooks, and if you use the git release, a couple of motherboards from the same time period and maybe one 2015 Chromebook if you're lucky. I appreciate that this work is being done (though I'm unclear on where the coreboot/libreboot line lies, but anyway), but calling it "freedom" is a stretch. It very much feels like the freedom to move to an abandoned island and not pay taxes or be subject to any government.

nly 11y ago
> It very much feels like the freedom to move to an abandoned island and not pay taxes or be subject to any government. Except, unless I'm mistaken, US citizens don't even have that freedom. Unless you renounce your citizenship, you pay US taxes wherever you live, unless there's a tax treaty of some kind in place between the US and your country of residence.
zokier 11y ago
> though I'm unclear on where the coreboot/libreboot line lies afaik libreboot is "just" deblobbed coreboot
deno 11y ago
> It very much feels like the freedom to move to an abandoned island and not pay taxes or be subject to any government. It might be a stretch to be able to use Coreboot for work or entertainment at the moment, unfortunately. But consider that those specs are just fine for most privacy sensitive stuff. Tor, email, banking… etc. So for a separate, trusted, privacy-focused box a few years old, slightly slower CPU is not a big deal. And you get the compartmentalization for free! That’s my perspective, at least.

deno 11y ago

Windows is just unsupported. It’s not “forbidden.” Coreboot has SeaBIOS and UEFI implementation as payloads that are os-independent. So Windows might work. Or not. You shouldn’t want to run Windows on a privacy sensitive workstation though. Compartmentalization and all that.