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And the number of accidents with advanced systems + shit pilots is still lower than that of good pilots + no advanced systems. That's also worth keeping in min

by cujo 11y ago

And the number of accidents with advanced systems + shit pilots is still lower than that of good pilots + no advanced systems. That's also worth keeping in mind.

Moshe_Silnorin 11y ago
What about advanced systems - pilots?
vlehto 11y ago
Nobody is arguing against radar altimeter, weather radar, gyrocompass and artificial horizon. I'm very doubtful that the actual autopilot has saved any lives. It's more likely to just allow captain to nap.
- Retric 11y ago
  Tired pilots are very dangerous. So, the actual numbers on this might be counter intuitive. We may very well be at a point where flights would be safer without on board pilots.
6stringmerc 11y ago
I'd like a citation of a study or some numbers that back up your claim, really I would. I'm strictly speaking about commercial aviation - not puttering around in a Cirrus with a parachute. Those aren't equitable comparisons. Mostly because in recent times, pilot error has been the most frequent cause of crashes, to my knowledge, in Airbus planes. Whether that's being too stupid to avoid an active combat zone and get shot down, or turning off the wrong engine and causing a prop plane to crash in a recoverable situation (granted not an Airbus). Basically, there are pilots flying in commercial aviation today that, practically speaking, are not qualified to be stick & yoke pilots but are commercial pilots because demand far outstrips supply in some parts of the world.
GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago
It wasn't too long ago in this country that planes were crashing all the damn time. Go here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_accidents_and_incidents_resulting_in_at_least_50_fatalities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_accidents_and... then sort by date and you can see the number of incidents in the US just evaporate.

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And the number of accidents with advanced systems + shit pilots is still lower than that of good pilots + no advanced systems. That's also worth keeping in min

by cujo 11y ago

And the number of accidents with advanced systems + shit pilots is still lower than that of good pilots + no advanced systems. That's also worth keeping in mind.

Moshe_Silnorin 11y ago
What about advanced systems - pilots?
vlehto 11y ago
Nobody is arguing against radar altimeter, weather radar, gyrocompass and artificial horizon. I'm very doubtful that the actual autopilot has saved any lives. It's more likely to just allow captain to nap.
- Retric 11y ago
  Tired pilots are very dangerous. So, the actual numbers on this might be counter intuitive. We may very well be at a point where flights would be safer without on board pilots.
6stringmerc 11y ago
I'd like a citation of a study or some numbers that back up your claim, really I would. I'm strictly speaking about commercial aviation - not puttering around in a Cirrus with a parachute. Those aren't equitable comparisons. Mostly because in recent times, pilot error has been the most frequent cause of crashes, to my knowledge, in Airbus planes. Whether that's being too stupid to avoid an active combat zone and get shot down, or turning off the wrong engine and causing a prop plane to crash in a recoverable situation (granted not an Airbus). Basically, there are pilots flying in commercial aviation today that, practically speaking, are not qualified to be stick & yoke pilots but are commercial pilots because demand far outstrips supply in some parts of the world.
GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago
It wasn't too long ago in this country that planes were crashing all the damn time. Go here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_accidents_and_incidents_resulting_in_at_least_50_fatalities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_accidents_and... then sort by date and you can see the number of incidents in the US just evaporate.