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I'm unreasonably excited by this news. ReSharper is already an amazing tool and I'm sure JetBrains can do so much more with complete control over the whole IDE

I'm unreasonably excited by this news. ReSharper is already an amazing tool and I'm sure JetBrains can do so much more with complete control over the whole IDE than with a plugin. I've not been very impressed with Visual Studio 2015 so far. I particularly don't like being forced to sign in to what should be an offline piece of software. Also, be careful installing it on an existing system as it will mess up your settings. I'm sticking with VS 12/13 and ReSharper for now but if Rider looks good then I could be tempted to switch. Android Studio is great and switching from Eclipse to IntelliJ was a good move by Google. Being able to do cross-platform development with .NET on a first class IDE is an alluring proposition. I doubt VS will ever be ported to Mac or Linux despite CoreCLR as it relies heavily on WPF which is tied to the Windows graphics system. I assume Project Rider is just a code name. I wonder what the final product will be called. IntelliSharp?

jbigelow76 11y ago
>I particularly don't like being forced to sign in to what should be an offline piece of software. With JetBrains moving to a subscription model for their software won't you end up with the same problem?
- firephreek 11y ago
  Only if you purchase a monthly subscription. If you buy a one year license, you get a perpetual license and you don't have to sign in when. The monthly based subscription require logging in every 30 days or so, but you can also key in the licensing offline with out signing in.
  - bargl 11y ago
    The same is true of Visual Studio you can apply a license in VS. I just did it in VS 2015. No sign in required.
    - ultramancool 11y ago
      I've got MSDN, can I do this? Necessitating the signin really pissed me off.
      - bargl 11y ago
        If you have a license key then yes. https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg442061.aspx https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg442061.aspx
- jsingleton 11y ago
  I hope this isn't the case. The last time I purchased ReSharper it was a one off payment. IIRC you got a year of upgrades included but if you wanted the newer versions after that then you needed to keep paying a subscription renewal fee. However, it wouldn't stop working after that time. You still kept what you paid for. I just had a quick glance at the ReSharper page [0] and it appears that they still use the same model. They also offer monthly subscriptions but say that "12 months of uninterrupted subscription payments qualify you for receiving a perpetual fallback license.". BTW the cookie law notice on that page is one of the best I've seen :). I've used pretty much every version of Visual Studio and 2015 is the first to have issues with licensing. I originally signed in with my MSDN account to activate it (fair enough) and then signed out. Now it tells me that my license has "gone stale" and I can't use it until I sign in again. There is an option to enter a product key but MSDN tells me: A product key is not offered with this edition of Visual Studio. To unlock the product, you must sign in using the login associated with your active Visual Studio subscription. By signing in, your IDE settings will sync across devices, and you can connect to online developer services. My old versions of VS are still licensed with a key and work fine. It makes me worry whether I will still be able to use VS 2015 when my subscription expires. Maybe it's worth exploring the free community versions. I believe that they no longer have the limitations on plugins that they use to have. I don't mind paying for things but the time and cognitive overhead dwarfs the financial cost. [0] https://www.jetbrains.com/resharper/buy https://www.jetbrains.com/resharper/buy
  - chadgeidel 11y ago
    Huh, I thought you could use a product key with all versions. Learn something every day I guess. I personally sign in, but I've seen the option.
justncase80 11y ago
Have you tried this? https://code.visualstudio.com/ https://code.visualstudio.com/
- s73v3r 11y ago
  That's an editor, not an IDE. It's basically Atom, with some specialized plugins.
  - carussell 11y ago
    It is built on Electron Shell, but vscode is a lot more than a preselected set of plugins for Atom. Most of vscode was written from scratch in TypeScript or assembled from existing (non-Atom) parts. The editors don't really share code.
    - murukesh_s 11y ago
      +1 vscode is just using Electron Shell, not entire Atom. vscode is a well executed project. During initial testing vscode seemed much more responsive than Atom to me.
      - thebouv 11y ago
        Yeah, VSCode definitely seems more responsive. I tried giving Atom a try 2-3 times now, but it always seemed "laggy" for lack of a better word.
        philliphaydon 11y ago
        I can crash Atom pretty consistency, especially with semi large projects. VS Code I haven't managed to crash at all.
  - justncase80 11y ago
    What is the difference between an IDE and an editor? When this supports C++, be prepared for Visual Studio to disappear. Also, it's based on Electron but doesn't have anything to do with Atom.
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VSTeam 11y ago
Hi jsingleton, just saw this post on your concerns about Visual Studio 2015. The VS team is investigating and would like to chat more with you. Can you ping us at VScteam@microsoft.com? Thanks.

jbigelow76 11y ago

>I particularly don't like being forced to sign in to what should be an offline piece of software. With JetBrains moving to a subscription model for their software won't you end up with the same problem?

firephreek 11y ago
Only if you purchase a monthly subscription. If you buy a one year license, you get a perpetual license and you don't have to sign in when. The monthly based subscription require logging in every 30 days or so, but you can also key in the licensing offline with out signing in.
- bargl 11y ago
  The same is true of Visual Studio you can apply a license in VS. I just did it in VS 2015. No sign in required.
  - ultramancool 11y ago
    I've got MSDN, can I do this? Necessitating the signin really pissed me off.
    - bargl 11y ago
      If you have a license key then yes. https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg442061.aspx https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg442061.aspx
jsingleton 11y ago
I hope this isn't the case. The last time I purchased ReSharper it was a one off payment. IIRC you got a year of upgrades included but if you wanted the newer versions after that then you needed to keep paying a subscription renewal fee. However, it wouldn't stop working after that time. You still kept what you paid for. I just had a quick glance at the ReSharper page [0] and it appears that they still use the same model. They also offer monthly subscriptions but say that "12 months of uninterrupted subscription payments qualify you for receiving a perpetual fallback license.". BTW the cookie law notice on that page is one of the best I've seen :). I've used pretty much every version of Visual Studio and 2015 is the first to have issues with licensing. I originally signed in with my MSDN account to activate it (fair enough) and then signed out. Now it tells me that my license has "gone stale" and I can't use it until I sign in again. There is an option to enter a product key but MSDN tells me: A product key is not offered with this edition of Visual Studio. To unlock the product, you must sign in using the login associated with your active Visual Studio subscription. By signing in, your IDE settings will sync across devices, and you can connect to online developer services. My old versions of VS are still licensed with a key and work fine. It makes me worry whether I will still be able to use VS 2015 when my subscription expires. Maybe it's worth exploring the free community versions. I believe that they no longer have the limitations on plugins that they use to have. I don't mind paying for things but the time and cognitive overhead dwarfs the financial cost. [0] https://www.jetbrains.com/resharper/buy https://www.jetbrains.com/resharper/buy
- chadgeidel 11y ago
  Huh, I thought you could use a product key with all versions. Learn something every day I guess. I personally sign in, but I've seen the option.

justncase80 11y ago

Have you tried this? https://code.visualstudio.com/ https://code.visualstudio.com/

s73v3r 11y ago
That's an editor, not an IDE. It's basically Atom, with some specialized plugins.
- carussell 11y ago
  It is built on Electron Shell, but vscode is a lot more than a preselected set of plugins for Atom. Most of vscode was written from scratch in TypeScript or assembled from existing (non-Atom) parts. The editors don't really share code.
  - murukesh_s 11y ago
    +1 vscode is just using Electron Shell, not entire Atom. vscode is a well executed project. During initial testing vscode seemed much more responsive than Atom to me.
    - thebouv 11y ago
      Yeah, VSCode definitely seems more responsive. I tried giving Atom a try 2-3 times now, but it always seemed "laggy" for lack of a better word.
      - philliphaydon 11y ago
        I can crash Atom pretty consistency, especially with semi large projects. VS Code I haven't managed to crash at all.
- justncase80 11y ago
  What is the difference between an IDE and an editor? When this supports C++, be prepared for Visual Studio to disappear. Also, it's based on Electron but doesn't have anything to do with Atom.

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VSTeam 11y ago

Hi jsingleton, just saw this post on your concerns about Visual Studio 2015. The VS team is investigating and would like to chat more with you. Can you ping us at VScteam@microsoft.com? Thanks.