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"Even past the fact that the iPad does not have a camera, it cannot run two applications at the same time. Meaning: talking to my girlfriend, I could not look u

by bombs 17y ago

"Even past the fact that the iPad does not have a camera, it cannot run two applications at the same time. Meaning: talking to my girlfriend, I could not look up a train time while we talked. Result: have to use my iPhone while we video chat. All that in a device that commands a price premium." How do you video chat using an iPhone, which has a camera on the back? "Again, we run into a software problem. From what I have seen in images surrounding the iPad, you can only have one tab open at a time. Excellent, if this was 1996. Hell, even Internet Explorer 7 had multitab browsing. Oh, and if that Apple sourced processor is so fast, why the hell can I not use it? Single tabbed browsing is just a plain deal killer for content consumption, period." The button to switch windows or tabs is located between the forward and bookmarks button. It is located in the bottom right on the iPhone. "Apple almost got there with this one, copying someone else’s interface for iBooks. But then it hit me again, only one app at a time! I listen to music while I read. And Gmail is never closed. Blast, there goes that." If you're using the iPod and Mail applications, this isn't an issue, as both of these applications can run in the background. "Again, when are we going to see HTML5 casual gaming? I love the game “desktop tower defense,” which is flash based. iPad? No." There are many casual games in the App Store, including many tower defence games (my favourite is Star Defence, but there are plenty of good free ones, if 99c is too dear). This is only going to increase with Flash CS5.

pyre 17y ago
> How do you video chat using an iPhone, which has a camera on the back? He's saying that even if it (the iPad) had a camera for video chat, he would have to use his iPhone to look up the train times because there is no multi-tasking on the iPad.
chrischen 17y ago
> There are many casual games in the App Store, including many tower defence games (my favourite is Star Defence, but there are plenty of good free ones, if 99c is too dear). This is only going to increase with Flash CS5. Why make people pay when there's FREE games out there online if only flash were supported. Flash support means opening up to a whole world of preexisting games, rich internet applications, and porn sites. But not allowing flash creates an artificial monopoly that is the app store.
- jstevens85 17y ago
  The argument against using Flash is that it's not suitable for a low-powered, long battery-life hand held device. My guess is that Jobs is worried that if Flash were enabled, the average consumer would notice a much shorter battery life. The consumer won't understand that Flash is to blame, and will end up blaming the iPad instead. >Why make people pay when there's FREE games out there online if only flash were supported. There are also many free games on the App store. Also, with the new version of Adobe Flash, it's a relatively trivial process to turn a Flash game into a native iPhone app.
  - jacquesm 17y ago
    The application you have just started uses 'flash' content, this will adversely affect your battery life. Click <ok to continue> or <cancel to save your battery> edit: way to go downmodder, getting modded down for presenting a possible solution to an issue is a new low for HN. Congratulations. Now if you'd be so kind as to explain why you thought that was not a viable solution?
    - jstevens85 17y ago
      By removing Flash altogether, Apple is encouraging web developers to upgrade to new web technologies (HTML 5). If the iPhone/iPad had the option of using Flash, then web developers wouldn't have an incentive to produce non-Flash content. I'm guessing that had the iPhone come with Flash at launch, Youtube would never have implemented MP4 and HTML 5 video tags.
      - jacquesm 17y ago
        Ggp mentioned battery life explicitly, that's why I addressed that. I'm probably one of the largest flash haters on the planet, it took me all of 7 years to convert our video to flash, because I simply can't stand it that for basic functionality like that we need a plug-in. That said, that particular plug in is now so widespread that even people that can't stand it also can't really get around it. HTML5 is not here yet, flash is here today. So, for live content, where downloading and converting is not possible this move by apple limits their users uses of the web. The best way imo would be to show side-by-side the same functionality, have a period of cross-over, dual implementation and to deprecate flash. To simply not support it is not going to convince any developers to make HTML5 content, it's simply going to frustrate a lot of end users. I just got an angry email from some guy ranting at me that since I won't support the iphone he will no longer be frequenting my site. I sympathize, my budget is limited, both in time as well as in funds so he'll have to go his way. I don't like it when choices are forced, choices ought to be free. HTML5 video capable deployment still sucks, flash is, as annoying as it is, at this moment in time the only viable way of getting good coverage on the majority of platforms. Battery life decisions should be up to the user, not up to the manufacturer. If you need or want to see that video and there is no very good technical reason why you can't (and shortening battery life is not a good enough reason, if that were a prime decision factor the display in the iPad would have been a more economical model) then you should simply be able to.

by bombs 17y ago

pyre 17y ago

> How do you video chat using an iPhone, which has a camera on the back? He's saying that even if it (the iPad) had a camera for video chat, he would have to use his iPhone to look up the train times because there is no multi-tasking on the iPad.

chrischen 17y ago

> There are many casual games in the App Store, including many tower defence games (my favourite is Star Defence, but there are plenty of good free ones, if 99c is too dear). This is only going to increase with Flash CS5. Why make people pay when there's FREE games out there online if only flash were supported. Flash support means opening up to a whole world of preexisting games, rich internet applications, and porn sites. But not allowing flash creates an artificial monopoly that is the app store.

jstevens85 17y ago
The argument against using Flash is that it's not suitable for a low-powered, long battery-life hand held device. My guess is that Jobs is worried that if Flash were enabled, the average consumer would notice a much shorter battery life. The consumer won't understand that Flash is to blame, and will end up blaming the iPad instead. >Why make people pay when there's FREE games out there online if only flash were supported. There are also many free games on the App store. Also, with the new version of Adobe Flash, it's a relatively trivial process to turn a Flash game into a native iPhone app.
- jacquesm 17y ago
  The application you have just started uses 'flash' content, this will adversely affect your battery life. Click <ok to continue> or <cancel to save your battery> edit: way to go downmodder, getting modded down for presenting a possible solution to an issue is a new low for HN. Congratulations. Now if you'd be so kind as to explain why you thought that was not a viable solution?
  - jstevens85 17y ago
    By removing Flash altogether, Apple is encouraging web developers to upgrade to new web technologies (HTML 5). If the iPhone/iPad had the option of using Flash, then web developers wouldn't have an incentive to produce non-Flash content. I'm guessing that had the iPhone come with Flash at launch, Youtube would never have implemented MP4 and HTML 5 video tags.
    - jacquesm 17y ago
      Ggp mentioned battery life explicitly, that's why I addressed that. I'm probably one of the largest flash haters on the planet, it took me all of 7 years to convert our video to flash, because I simply can't stand it that for basic functionality like that we need a plug-in. That said, that particular plug in is now so widespread that even people that can't stand it also can't really get around it. HTML5 is not here yet, flash is here today. So, for live content, where downloading and converting is not possible this move by apple limits their users uses of the web. The best way imo would be to show side-by-side the same functionality, have a period of cross-over, dual implementation and to deprecate flash. To simply not support it is not going to convince any developers to make HTML5 content, it's simply going to frustrate a lot of end users. I just got an angry email from some guy ranting at me that since I won't support the iphone he will no longer be frequenting my site. I sympathize, my budget is limited, both in time as well as in funds so he'll have to go his way. I don't like it when choices are forced, choices ought to be free. HTML5 video capable deployment still sucks, flash is, as annoying as it is, at this moment in time the only viable way of getting good coverage on the majority of platforms. Battery life decisions should be up to the user, not up to the manufacturer. If you need or want to see that video and there is no very good technical reason why you can't (and shortening battery life is not a good enough reason, if that were a prime decision factor the display in the iPad would have been a more economical model) then you should simply be able to.