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People praise IntelliJ it a lot, but my experience with Android Studio and its slowness always reminds me that its writen in java. I have been developing with

by dawkins 11y ago

People praise IntelliJ it a lot, but my experience with Android Studio and its slowness always reminds me that its writen in java. I have been developing with Monodevelop the last 4 years when I switched to mono/ubuntu and I don't see here nothing that it doesn't have already: cross platform, excellent refactoring support, multiple targets. Maybe its because of my particular use case but I even prefer it to Visual Studio.

yoz-y 11y ago
I have had similar experience with Android Studio. I found very buggy and confusing since it constantly switches contexts and (seemingly) randomly re-shuffles the UI. (Building, debugging, running) I also found most of the pictograms thoroughly unhelpful. Nevertheless IntelliJ has a very good reputation so I suppose it is not the platform's fault.
- V-2 11y ago
  Pictogram toolbars are an idiotic invention, but you can get rid of them easily. Android Studio is highly customizable. It's not perfectly stable, but out of my experience (a bit dated now I admit) neither was Visual Studio. Eg. its infamous XAML designer is still haunting me in my dreams. As far as bread and butter of an IDE goes, meaning navigation, refactoring etc. JetBrains' software, along with its derivatives (Android Studio is a fork), is superior to VS imho. Then again it's a bit of apples vs. oranges here, VS is more heavy-weight and powerful, with its SQL integration and many many other features.
geodel 11y ago
You are right. I run IntelliJ on top end MBP though it is mostly reasonable it never forgets to remind me that it is written in Java. In my past I have used far less capable machines and the less said about Java IDEs the better. I admit that very few developers complained about their Java based IDEs / GUIs where ever I worked. I guess It must be due to very low expectation from their tools.
insulanian 11y ago
My experience with MonoDevelop is not so good. Basic refactorings, like rename, don't work correctly every time and had to literally discard the whole commit once after renaming to make sure I don't screw up the app logic. Also, editor often has visual glitches where letters get corrupted and I have to reopen the file to get it back to normal. Not something I expect from such a long time maintained application. And yes... F# support is useless for anything larger than few files of code.
_pmf_ 11y ago
> and its slowness always reminds me that its writen in java Not only Java, but Swing. Eclipse with SWT just feels so much faster than Swing. I don't understand why people praise the speed of IntelliJ vs Eclipse; it's not even in the same ballpark.
- Sindisil 11y ago
  Not my experience at all. I find IDEA to be more responsive that Eclipse, both on Windows and Linux. Not by a whole lot, but noticeably so. Even recent NetBeans releases are just as responsive, in my experience, as recent Eclipse versions.
snuxoll 11y ago
> its slowness always reminds me that its writen in java. It's a huge pain point of any Java app, and it certainly causes a headache for users, but have you checked and tweaked your maximum heap size? Typically when I get even a small project going in IntelliJ with a couple productivity plugins installed I'll start hitting GC churn because the default Xmx value is so low, setting it to 1GB makes a huge difference.

by dawkins 11y ago

yoz-y 11y ago

I have had similar experience with Android Studio. I found very buggy and confusing since it constantly switches contexts and (seemingly) randomly re-shuffles the UI. (Building, debugging, running) I also found most of the pictograms thoroughly unhelpful. Nevertheless IntelliJ has a very good reputation so I suppose it is not the platform's fault.

V-2 11y ago
Pictogram toolbars are an idiotic invention, but you can get rid of them easily. Android Studio is highly customizable. It's not perfectly stable, but out of my experience (a bit dated now I admit) neither was Visual Studio. Eg. its infamous XAML designer is still haunting me in my dreams. As far as bread and butter of an IDE goes, meaning navigation, refactoring etc. JetBrains' software, along with its derivatives (Android Studio is a fork), is superior to VS imho. Then again it's a bit of apples vs. oranges here, VS is more heavy-weight and powerful, with its SQL integration and many many other features.

geodel 11y ago

You are right. I run IntelliJ on top end MBP though it is mostly reasonable it never forgets to remind me that it is written in Java. In my past I have used far less capable machines and the less said about Java IDEs the better. I admit that very few developers complained about their Java based IDEs / GUIs where ever I worked. I guess It must be due to very low expectation from their tools.

insulanian 11y ago

My experience with MonoDevelop is not so good. Basic refactorings, like rename, don't work correctly every time and had to literally discard the whole commit once after renaming to make sure I don't screw up the app logic. Also, editor often has visual glitches where letters get corrupted and I have to reopen the file to get it back to normal. Not something I expect from such a long time maintained application. And yes... F# support is useless for anything larger than few files of code.

_pmf_ 11y ago

> and its slowness always reminds me that its writen in java Not only Java, but Swing. Eclipse with SWT just feels so much faster than Swing. I don't understand why people praise the speed of IntelliJ vs Eclipse; it's not even in the same ballpark.

Sindisil 11y ago
Not my experience at all. I find IDEA to be more responsive that Eclipse, both on Windows and Linux. Not by a whole lot, but noticeably so. Even recent NetBeans releases are just as responsive, in my experience, as recent Eclipse versions.

snuxoll 11y ago

> its slowness always reminds me that its writen in java. It's a huge pain point of any Java app, and it certainly causes a headache for users, but have you checked and tweaked your maximum heap size? Typically when I get even a small project going in IntelliJ with a couple productivity plugins installed I'll start hitting GC churn because the default Xmx value is so low, setting it to 1GB makes a huge difference.