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I've seen enough agreement that I think it's worth pointing out. The dating market for men in Toronto is terrible, at least if you're not in the mainstream attr

I've seen enough agreement that I think it's worth pointing out. The dating market for men in Toronto is terrible, at least if you're not in the mainstream attractive subset: over 5'10, have all your hair, have easy social charm and confidence. I don't know exactly why this is but anecdotally women are extremely selective and have it ingrained deeply to never settle for anything (and they're not happy about not finding "good enough" men either). I can live with lower pay but after years of nothing but female rejection I'm really tempted to run to the US just for this reason. (Again, only anecdotally, but the way I'm treated by women in social settings is night vs day anywhere but Toronto.)

beachstartup 11y ago
you are feeling the same frustration many men in large cities feel these days. look around on the internet. all i can say is, don't expect different results if you keep doing the same things. it's on you to produce the outcomes you want in your life.
- Almaviva 11y ago
  > look around on the internet. I know the places you're talking about, and I can't stand them because they're dehumanizing and hypocritical. But believe me I've looked, and in my experience a disproportionate number of these men are actually from Toronto! I'm not saying men don't feel like this elsewhere, but it was surprising to me how this city sticks out. http://www.returnofkings.com/58796/15-reasons-why-toronto-is-the-worst-city-in-north-america-for-men http://www.returnofkings.com/58796/15-reasons-why-toronto-is... (Edit: I don't endorse the above article, it's demeaning and ridiculous, but I'm using it as an example of how this city often comes up in "worst of" discussions.)
  - beachstartup 11y ago
    sounds like you should move. i'm sure you won't though.
    - Almaviva 11y ago
      If you've lived in Toronto and other major cities and can relate your personal experience, I'm interested. About your generic self help, less so.
      - beachstartup 11y ago
        my experience is that you should move.
dionidium 11y ago
"over 5'10, have all your hair, have easy social charm and confidence" I think you'll find that those things grease the wheels of conversation basically everywhere
SixSigma 11y ago
There is no place on earth where short, bald, charmless guys lacking confidence are top of the dating tree.

beachstartup 11y ago

you are feeling the same frustration many men in large cities feel these days. look around on the internet. all i can say is, don't expect different results if you keep doing the same things. it's on you to produce the outcomes you want in your life.

Almaviva 11y ago
> look around on the internet. I know the places you're talking about, and I can't stand them because they're dehumanizing and hypocritical. But believe me I've looked, and in my experience a disproportionate number of these men are actually from Toronto! I'm not saying men don't feel like this elsewhere, but it was surprising to me how this city sticks out. http://www.returnofkings.com/58796/15-reasons-why-toronto-is-the-worst-city-in-north-america-for-men http://www.returnofkings.com/58796/15-reasons-why-toronto-is... (Edit: I don't endorse the above article, it's demeaning and ridiculous, but I'm using it as an example of how this city often comes up in "worst of" discussions.)
- beachstartup 11y ago
  sounds like you should move. i'm sure you won't though.
  - Almaviva 11y ago
    If you've lived in Toronto and other major cities and can relate your personal experience, I'm interested. About your generic self help, less so.
    - beachstartup 11y ago
      my experience is that you should move.

dionidium 11y ago

"over 5'10, have all your hair, have easy social charm and confidence" I think you'll find that those things grease the wheels of conversation basically everywhere

SixSigma 11y ago

There is no place on earth where short, bald, charmless guys lacking confidence are top of the dating tree.