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Unfortunately, property tax law in California does the exact opposite. The tax can't be higher than 1% of the assessed value of the house, and that assessment c

by crzwdjk 11y ago

Unfortunately, property tax law in California does the exact opposite. The tax can't be higher than 1% of the assessed value of the house, and that assessment can't go up by more than 2% every year as long as the house isn't sold. So the people who have been living in the neighborhood the longest and complain the most about "neighborhood character" also pay much less property tax than their neighbors. And by "much less" I mean 10-20 times less in some cases, given how much property values have gone up over the past 40 or so years.

scurvy 11y ago
The tax rate can also be passed down to your heirs upon your death. It also covers commercial buildings. What was originally sold as "don't tax grandma out" is obviously a power move to create a land holding elite. I'm a property owner, but I don't really like the system. I also don't like how mismanaged the property taxes here are, but that's another thread.
- hvmonk 11y ago
  Can't agree more. The laws made in late 70s were made to benefit a specific class of people, and they are most vocal against any change which is aimed to bring equality.
- DrScump 11y ago
  "The tax rate can also be passed down to your heirs upon your death." So can rent-controlled rents, believe it or not.
CrowFly 11y ago
Not quite. There are "parcel taxes" too that keep going up. And 2%/year increase isn't inconsequential.
- e40 11y ago
  Parcel tax increases are voted on so they aren't just random increases. And I think they need 2/3 to pass.
  - DrScump 11y ago
    But parcel taxes are added by popular vote of city/district residents, so they almost always pass.
    - CrowFly 11y ago
      Right. And don't forget -- Senior Citizens exempt themselves from parcel taxes and renters don't usually see these reflected in rent increases. So you have a majority with little to lose by voting to tax "other" people. I'm always amazed how the techno-libertarians on yc-hews go full communist when it comes to Prop 13 and the right to own property! And exempting seniors from this taking has a racist element--keep the existing white people from being taxed, but tax the younger people who are moving in.
- crazy2be 11y ago
  2%/year is pretty inconsequential. Consider that the average inflation rate is 3-4%/year[1][2], and houses generally tend to increase in value at roughly the same rate as inflation[3]. Thus, your property taxes are expected to get cheaper in real cost every year, assuming the housing market is relatively stable. Of course, in SV, the situation is much much worse than this, because housing prices have grown much faster than inflation due to the booming economy. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation#Measures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation#Measures [2] http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Rate/Long_Term_Inflation.asp http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Rate/Long_Term_... [3] http://observationsandnotes.blogspot.ca/2011/07/housing-prices-inflation-since-1900.html http://observationsandnotes.blogspot.ca/2011/07/housing-pric...

by crzwdjk 11y ago

scurvy 11y ago

The tax rate can also be passed down to your heirs upon your death. It also covers commercial buildings. What was originally sold as "don't tax grandma out" is obviously a power move to create a land holding elite. I'm a property owner, but I don't really like the system. I also don't like how mismanaged the property taxes here are, but that's another thread.

hvmonk 11y ago
Can't agree more. The laws made in late 70s were made to benefit a specific class of people, and they are most vocal against any change which is aimed to bring equality.
DrScump 11y ago
"The tax rate can also be passed down to your heirs upon your death." So can rent-controlled rents, believe it or not.

CrowFly 11y ago

Not quite. There are "parcel taxes" too that keep going up. And 2%/year increase isn't inconsequential.

e40 11y ago
Parcel tax increases are voted on so they aren't just random increases. And I think they need 2/3 to pass.
- DrScump 11y ago
  But parcel taxes are added by popular vote of city/district residents, so they almost always pass.
  - CrowFly 11y ago
    Right. And don't forget -- Senior Citizens exempt themselves from parcel taxes and renters don't usually see these reflected in rent increases. So you have a majority with little to lose by voting to tax "other" people. I'm always amazed how the techno-libertarians on yc-hews go full communist when it comes to Prop 13 and the right to own property! And exempting seniors from this taking has a racist element--keep the existing white people from being taxed, but tax the younger people who are moving in.
crazy2be 11y ago
2%/year is pretty inconsequential. Consider that the average inflation rate is 3-4%/year[1][2], and houses generally tend to increase in value at roughly the same rate as inflation[3]. Thus, your property taxes are expected to get cheaper in real cost every year, assuming the housing market is relatively stable. Of course, in SV, the situation is much much worse than this, because housing prices have grown much faster than inflation due to the booming economy. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation#Measures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation#Measures [2] http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Rate/Long_Term_Inflation.asp http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Rate/Long_Term_... [3] http://observationsandnotes.blogspot.ca/2011/07/housing-prices-inflation-since-1900.html http://observationsandnotes.blogspot.ca/2011/07/housing-pric...