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> For free. Otherwise we have another Antitrust situation, like here.) Which anti trust situation?

by Oletros 11y ago

kuschku 11y ago
There is a good reason why everyone here on HN considers any startup that might potentially compete with Google dead in the water – or, when Google starts a product, any companies that operated in that business previously are seen as dead. Google uses predatory pricing (financed by having all parts of their company make losses except for a select few), Google uses their market might in one business to create a monopoly in others, like every time you searched with Firefox you used to get a banner ad "upgrade now to chrome". The cases where Google was literally scraping content from competitors and displayed it without a link back – the current Antitrust trial with Yelp!, where Google scraped reviews, and displayed them in Google places comes to mind. (And when Yelp! complained, Google threatened to throw them out of the results) And yes, Google’s Maps API is another such situation. Maps is installed by default on all Android devices, giving it a huge boost for apps embedding it. Google Maps is making losses everywhere, breaking laws (see StreetView) and is still running. At this point everyone still using Maps should switch to competitors, because otherwise we’ll get a situation where Maps becomes again a monopoly. Google’s long-term strategy seems to be "get a monopoly for everything". Every monopoly is an Antitrust situation, and Maps is steering right into one.
- Oletros 11y ago
  > There is a good reason why everyone here on HN considers any startup that might potentially compete with Google dead in the water It is good that you have asked EVERYONE in HN and you KNOW as a fact that everyone thinks the same you think > Google uses predatory pricing So you can link to any ruling stating that Google uses predatory pricinc, thing that it is ilegal. Because you can prove it and it is not just your subjective opinion > the current Antitrust trial with Yelp!, where Google scraped reviews, and displayed them in Google places comes to mind. (And when Yelp! complained, Google threatened to throw them out of the results Which anti trust trial? > very monopoly is an Antitrust situation, No, it isn't
  - kuschku 11y ago
    > Which anti trust trial? I guess you haven’t followed the news? the current EU antitrust trial against Google, which was started after dozens of US companies had complained about Google’s abuse of monopoly.
    - Oletros 11y ago
      Oh, no, I have followed the news. The only anti trust probe is the one regarding Google Shopping. Can you link to any trial involving Yelp or other companies? Perhaps the one that has to follow the news is you, not me. or perhaps you're mixing your desires with reality

> For free. Otherwise we have another Antitrust situation, like here.) Which anti trust situation?

by Oletros 11y ago

> For free. Otherwise we have another Antitrust situation, like here.) Which anti trust situation?

There is a good reason why everyone here on HN considers any startup that might potentially compete with Google dead in the water – or, when Google starts a product, any companies that operated in that business previously are seen as dead. Google uses predatory pricing (financed by having all parts of their company make losses except for a select few), Google uses their market might in one business to create a monopoly in others, like every time you searched with Firefox you used to get a banner ad "upgrade now to chrome". The cases where Google was literally scraping content from competitors and displayed it without a link back – the current Antitrust trial with Yelp!, where Google scraped reviews, and displayed them in Google places comes to mind. (And when Yelp! complained, Google threatened to throw them out of the results) And yes, Google’s Maps API is another such situation. Maps is installed by default on all Android devices, giving it a huge boost for apps embedding it. Google Maps is making losses everywhere, breaking laws (see StreetView) and is still running. At this point everyone still using Maps should switch to competitors, because otherwise we’ll get a situation where Maps becomes again a monopoly. Google’s long-term strategy seems to be "get a monopoly for everything". Every monopoly is an Antitrust situation, and Maps is steering right into one.

Oletros 11y ago
> There is a good reason why everyone here on HN considers any startup that might potentially compete with Google dead in the water It is good that you have asked EVERYONE in HN and you KNOW as a fact that everyone thinks the same you think > Google uses predatory pricing So you can link to any ruling stating that Google uses predatory pricinc, thing that it is ilegal. Because you can prove it and it is not just your subjective opinion > the current Antitrust trial with Yelp!, where Google scraped reviews, and displayed them in Google places comes to mind. (And when Yelp! complained, Google threatened to throw them out of the results Which anti trust trial? > very monopoly is an Antitrust situation, No, it isn't
- kuschku 11y ago
  > Which anti trust trial? I guess you haven’t followed the news? the current EU antitrust trial against Google, which was started after dozens of US companies had complained about Google’s abuse of monopoly.
  - Oletros 11y ago
    Oh, no, I have followed the news. The only anti trust probe is the one regarding Google Shopping. Can you link to any trial involving Yelp or other companies? Perhaps the one that has to follow the news is you, not me. or perhaps you're mixing your desires with reality