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Question: Would this effect be harnessable for interstellar communication through a modified AM/FM usage? Should SETI be looking for this? Gamma rays are one o

Question: Would this effect be harnessable for interstellar communication through a modified AM/FM usage? Should SETI be looking for this? Gamma rays are one of the universes longest travelling emissions that remain unobstructed by background dust, so I wonder if it would ever be harnessable to provide interstellar communication to our nearest neighbors. In theory, you'd only have to establish receivers. Also would it be scalable to use on a gas giant (as to our current knowledge, they're presently more plentiful than rocky planets, and may be necessary to the evolution of habitable planets) to send an amplified message?

wglb 17y ago
Well, I have wondered for a long time about lightning itself and how we could harness the energy from that. There doesn't seem to be much work going on with that. I imagine that you could do both, but it is not clear yet how to do either one of them.
- electromagnetic 17y ago
  Like all good ideas regarding electricity, Tesla already had it. Tesla coils operate in reverse to turn high-voltage into high-current. This was the base of Tesla's idea for wireless electricity. One Tesla coil can deliver power through the air to another coil, however it typically only has a fraction of the power of the input. However Tesla coils are capable of receiving atmospheric electricity (lightning) and outputting current, however only Tesla appeared interested in this. A large enough Tesla coil could survive a lightning strike and produce huge amounts of high voltage direct current, which is incidentally exactly what's required for producing hydrogen. It would be nice to see a company build a large tesla coil capable of surviving lightning strikes to produce hydrogen for fuel cell vehicles.
  - wglb 17y ago
    Any thoughts on why it hasn't been done as yet?
    - electromagnetic 17y ago
      My guess would simply be because the applications are limited in the West. Europe would have no demand for the technology as yearly lightning strikes can be less than .1/KM^2, while parts of the US can easily get to >50/KM^2. Lots of Africa, and many parts of the southern hemisphere, can receive lightning strikes of >200/KM^2 yearly. Aside from the US and Australia, quite literally no technologically advanced country gets lightning on the scale needed for this to have the great potential it has. Even though much of Asia has high lightning strikes, China and Japan have virtually none. Leaving just India who would have the means to research something like this. Honestly I believe the major problem is the current produced. A positive lightning strike can hit at 300kA, and electrical discharged requires a voltage of 3 million volts/meter traveled (IIRC a lightning bolt averages 100 million volts). This means to get it down to 110V, you're likely dealing with ~300 gigaAmperes. >60 Amps will allow you to weld 16 gauge steel wire. So you would have to have enough conductive material to handle the flash-heating produced by a surge of 300gA. This flash heating may, however, be productive if use was intended for a power plant as it would provide massive amounts of flash-boiling. Another problem, however, is that the receiver has to be high enough that no alternative route is provided to the lightning, or nothing will be received. However, creating an ionized path above the receiver (or multiple paths at 45 degrees away from the receiver) would enable it to 'catch' a lot of strikes, increasing strike rates. I'd say it's certainly possible with present off the shelf technology, however I doubt its very practical and at worst, you could vaporize a lot of valuable copper.

wglb 17y ago

Well, I have wondered for a long time about lightning itself and how we could harness the energy from that. There doesn't seem to be much work going on with that. I imagine that you could do both, but it is not clear yet how to do either one of them.

electromagnetic 17y ago
Like all good ideas regarding electricity, Tesla already had it. Tesla coils operate in reverse to turn high-voltage into high-current. This was the base of Tesla's idea for wireless electricity. One Tesla coil can deliver power through the air to another coil, however it typically only has a fraction of the power of the input. However Tesla coils are capable of receiving atmospheric electricity (lightning) and outputting current, however only Tesla appeared interested in this. A large enough Tesla coil could survive a lightning strike and produce huge amounts of high voltage direct current, which is incidentally exactly what's required for producing hydrogen. It would be nice to see a company build a large tesla coil capable of surviving lightning strikes to produce hydrogen for fuel cell vehicles.
- wglb 17y ago
  Any thoughts on why it hasn't been done as yet?
  - electromagnetic 17y ago
    My guess would simply be because the applications are limited in the West. Europe would have no demand for the technology as yearly lightning strikes can be less than .1/KM^2, while parts of the US can easily get to >50/KM^2. Lots of Africa, and many parts of the southern hemisphere, can receive lightning strikes of >200/KM^2 yearly. Aside from the US and Australia, quite literally no technologically advanced country gets lightning on the scale needed for this to have the great potential it has. Even though much of Asia has high lightning strikes, China and Japan have virtually none. Leaving just India who would have the means to research something like this. Honestly I believe the major problem is the current produced. A positive lightning strike can hit at 300kA, and electrical discharged requires a voltage of 3 million volts/meter traveled (IIRC a lightning bolt averages 100 million volts). This means to get it down to 110V, you're likely dealing with ~300 gigaAmperes. >60 Amps will allow you to weld 16 gauge steel wire. So you would have to have enough conductive material to handle the flash-heating produced by a surge of 300gA. This flash heating may, however, be productive if use was intended for a power plant as it would provide massive amounts of flash-boiling. Another problem, however, is that the receiver has to be high enough that no alternative route is provided to the lightning, or nothing will be received. However, creating an ionized path above the receiver (or multiple paths at 45 degrees away from the receiver) would enable it to 'catch' a lot of strikes, increasing strike rates. I'd say it's certainly possible with present off the shelf technology, however I doubt its very practical and at worst, you could vaporize a lot of valuable copper.