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For what it's worth Kanye West is still regarded like a sort of a joke in most of Europe, at least for people like me, who are over 30. I'm not sure old people

For what it's worth Kanye West is still regarded like a sort of a joke in most of Europe, at least for people like me, who are over 30. I'm not sure old people were known for being massive Bowie or Stones fans in the 60s either.

agumonkey 11y ago
I wasn't born and always assumed they weren't just pop star of the moment. As a kid later, even without knowing anything, I felt these song were infectious. When I criticize today's mainstream it's that this quality isn't there anymore. I could say the same about movie score too.
- eertami 11y ago
  >When I criticize today's mainstream it's that this quality isn't there anymore. No, it's because you don't like it and can't feel superior any longer if you were to enjoy it. It's just incredibly elitist to assume the music you don't like doesn't have any quality. One of the best "mainstream" albums in recent times was Kanye's My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. A record with such masterful production, songwriting and depth that is absolutely high quality. In 40 years people will look back on My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy much in the same way we look back on Ziggy Stardust now. Likewise it will be remembered for it's fearlessness, creativity and influence.
  - mercer 11y ago
    It's an incredible album indeed. I can also recommend To Pimp A Butterfly by Kendrick Lamar. Just watch his live performance on The Colbert Report and tell me there's no quality anymore! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS0geQsfcHk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS0geQsfcHk Or this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z1ZUgIZKDI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z1ZUgIZKDI
  - paganel 11y ago
    > One of the best "mainstream" albums in recent times was Kanye's My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJae2OpoHeE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJae2OpoHeE , his latest YT video is basically an ad. And while I tried listening to some of his other melodies I found out that most of them are about his material accomplishments, and that's about it. Or maybe this is all a post-modernist thingie where this is a veiled critique about today's society, in which case I'll pass. For comparison, take this IAM piece: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uQ_X6nQ8xk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uQ_X6nQ8xk , which talks about real people with real problems from the real world. They're miles ahead in terms of artistic performance and impact.

agumonkey 11y ago

I wasn't born and always assumed they weren't just pop star of the moment. As a kid later, even without knowing anything, I felt these song were infectious. When I criticize today's mainstream it's that this quality isn't there anymore. I could say the same about movie score too.

eertami 11y ago
>When I criticize today's mainstream it's that this quality isn't there anymore. No, it's because you don't like it and can't feel superior any longer if you were to enjoy it. It's just incredibly elitist to assume the music you don't like doesn't have any quality. One of the best "mainstream" albums in recent times was Kanye's My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. A record with such masterful production, songwriting and depth that is absolutely high quality. In 40 years people will look back on My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy much in the same way we look back on Ziggy Stardust now. Likewise it will be remembered for it's fearlessness, creativity and influence.
- mercer 11y ago
  It's an incredible album indeed. I can also recommend To Pimp A Butterfly by Kendrick Lamar. Just watch his live performance on The Colbert Report and tell me there's no quality anymore! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS0geQsfcHk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS0geQsfcHk Or this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z1ZUgIZKDI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z1ZUgIZKDI
- paganel 11y ago
  > One of the best "mainstream" albums in recent times was Kanye's My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJae2OpoHeE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJae2OpoHeE , his latest YT video is basically an ad. And while I tried listening to some of his other melodies I found out that most of them are about his material accomplishments, and that's about it. Or maybe this is all a post-modernist thingie where this is a veiled critique about today's society, in which case I'll pass. For comparison, take this IAM piece: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uQ_X6nQ8xk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uQ_X6nQ8xk , which talks about real people with real problems from the real world. They're miles ahead in terms of artistic performance and impact.