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Like your typical web app isn't yet another CRUD or CMS ;)

by V-2 11y ago

dozzie 11y ago
Good point; I noticed that, too. Especially when it's RESTful. People seem to have forgotten about RPC protocols, where it's operation, not a resource, that is most important. Personally, my typical web app is not CRUD, it's merely an R. And I don't write those daily. Much more often I write network or system daemons.
- castell 11y ago
  Complex protocols will bite you. All these over engineered XML based protocols... That's why REST and JSON are great. Very simple and perfect for many web use cases.
  - dozzie 11y ago
    REST is a shitty abstraction. If you happen to need to do anything with a resource, you suddenly need to reinvent RPC, except that error reporting will not be standarized and most probably will cram two different levels (transport and procedure execution) together.
alkonaut 11y ago
> Like your typical web app isn't yet another CRUD or CMS ;) Indeed. To avoid the CRUD groundhog day, I'd stay away from both web and mobile.
- V-2 11y ago
  What do you do then?
  - alkonaut 11y ago
    There are tons and tons of areas in software that aren't web (or mobile, which is usually just web with another toolkit). Games, Desktop apps, Industrial, embedded, ... Personally I do desktop applications and love it.
    - V-2 11y ago
      Yeah I did desktop apps for a while (in .NET), but they can be just as repetitive and non-inventive. In my case they were mostly shelf-stacking / syncing apps for internet shops. I simply don't believe that a domain (understood broadly, ie. desktop/mobile/web) in and of itself dictates whether projects are original and interesting. Not until you work on something really specialized, like AI etc.
      - alkonaut 11y ago
        Yeah, so long as a desktop app could have been a browser app, it tends to have the same problems as a browser app (i.e it's just CRUD). They are usually only interesting if they are desktop apps because they have to, like image editors, games, CAD. My test for interesting work is the fraction of lines of code that relates to processing data and not just input/presentation/persistence/validation.

Like your typical web app isn't yet another CRUD or CMS ;)

by V-2 11y ago

Like your typical web app isn't yet another CRUD or CMS ;)

Good point; I noticed that, too. Especially when it's RESTful. People seem to have forgotten about RPC protocols, where it's operation, not a resource, that is most important. Personally, my typical web app is not CRUD, it's merely an R. And I don't write those daily. Much more often I write network or system daemons.

castell 11y ago
Complex protocols will bite you. All these over engineered XML based protocols... That's why REST and JSON are great. Very simple and perfect for many web use cases.
- dozzie 11y ago
  REST is a shitty abstraction. If you happen to need to do anything with a resource, you suddenly need to reinvent RPC, except that error reporting will not be standarized and most probably will cram two different levels (transport and procedure execution) together.

alkonaut 11y ago

> Like your typical web app isn't yet another CRUD or CMS ;) Indeed. To avoid the CRUD groundhog day, I'd stay away from both web and mobile.

V-2 11y ago
What do you do then?
- alkonaut 11y ago
  There are tons and tons of areas in software that aren't web (or mobile, which is usually just web with another toolkit). Games, Desktop apps, Industrial, embedded, ... Personally I do desktop applications and love it.
  - V-2 11y ago
    Yeah I did desktop apps for a while (in .NET), but they can be just as repetitive and non-inventive. In my case they were mostly shelf-stacking / syncing apps for internet shops. I simply don't believe that a domain (understood broadly, ie. desktop/mobile/web) in and of itself dictates whether projects are original and interesting. Not until you work on something really specialized, like AI etc.
    - alkonaut 11y ago
      Yeah, so long as a desktop app could have been a browser app, it tends to have the same problems as a browser app (i.e it's just CRUD). They are usually only interesting if they are desktop apps because they have to, like image editors, games, CAD. My test for interesting work is the fraction of lines of code that relates to processing data and not just input/presentation/persistence/validation.