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Can you think outside of the communist box? Competition is in part due to the fact there are more humans alive today fighting for the same resources. It's kin

Can you think outside of the communist box? Competition is in part due to the fact there are more humans alive today fighting for the same resources. It's kinda similar to dating, where things are not getting easier(except for those who inherited good genes). Today with dating you have to do more to get the same result people use to get with less effort. Lack of social safety net? Why do you care about that? You don't have a safety net when you get dumped. You know, if your girlfriend dumps you, you don't get another girl to give you blowjobs, because otherwise you might get depressed and suicidal. You're expected to figure it out on your own and you might not do it - you might end up lonely, without dates and maybe even commit suicide because of that. So, why not hold wage earners to the same standard? Don't be a hypocrite!

timbits 11y ago
I like the way you think, but it's not two things you can compare. For once, living in decent conditions (3 meals a day, a roof on top of your head, ...) ranks much higher than dating and reproducing on Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Also, the gene pool is quite diversified and most people can find a match during their lifetime. It's not common for attractive people to have multiples spouses.
- sly_foxx 11y ago
  Who cares about 'Maslow's hierarchy of needs'? It's an arbitrary pyramid - you can create your own if you wish where you can rank internet as the most basic necessity. Also, the jobs pool is quite diversified and most people can find work during their lifetime. It's not common for highly skilled people to have multiples jobs.
fsloth 11y ago
"..there are more humans alive today fighting for the same resources" If by "resources" you mean world GDP, then no, the GDP per person has never been higher: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=world+gdp+%2F+world+population+from+1900+to+2015 http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=world+gdp+%2F+world+pop...
- sly_foxx 11y ago
  What does GDP have to do with resources? GDP measures volume of transactions. Resources are oil, gas, silver etc. Also, there is real estate. Land on Earth is limited. There are 10s of millions of people who want to live in Malibu, for example. But, number of spots there is limited, so who is going to live there? Those who have the most money. Do you get it now - more people alive means more competition for land and other resources.
lmm 11y ago
> You don't have a safety net when you get dumped. You know, if your girlfriend dumps you, you don't get another girl to give you blowjobs, because otherwise you might get depressed and suicidal. You're expected to figure it out on your own and you might not do it - you might end up lonely, without dates and maybe even commit suicide because of that. So maybe think outside your own box and figure out if there's any cheap social policy that would improve the lot of such people? I come up with: legalize prostitution, shorten copyright terms for pornography. Maybe lower emphasis on marriage and greater acceptance of polyamory, though that could go both ways. Try to culturally de-emphasize sex, and provide more life paths where singledom is accepted or expected (e.g. I've heard it argued that monasteries used to serve this function). > So, why not hold wage earners to the same standard? Huh? That's backwards. If giving everyone a decent dating partner was as easy as raising taxes a little bit and subsidising a few government-run services, of course we'd do it.
adrianN 11y ago
Your comment is basically flame bait, but I'll bite. Comparing a paying job with a girlfriend doesn't work. People can live perfectly well without a girlfriend, but it's hard to eat and pay rent if you don't have a stable income. This gives a lot of leverage to employers because employees can't just quit their job.
- sly_foxx 11y ago
  Yes, comparison works and is spot on. You can survive without stable income - humans and many other animal species have been doing it for hundreds of millions of years. Yes, it's hard, but so what? Why would that be a reason to create a safety net(by taking from productive people and giving it to parasites)? 'People can live perfectly well without a girlfriend' This is false. Some people who are asexual can do it. But, most will be frustrated, maybe even depressed. Are you familiar with Elliot Rodgers? A mass shooter who over a year ago killed/injured a bunch of people(students) in California. Why? He tells us - because women didn't want him. If you read some comments online, a lot of guys are sympathetic to his feelings, even though they wouldn't go as far as he did. Also, because straight men have a strong sexual desire + desire for reproduction, women can be like employers. What if you quit relationship with your girlfriend/wife? Will you able to find another one? It would be like you're a low-skilled employee. Women have a lot of leverage.
  - unprepare 11y ago
    >You can survive without stable income - humans and many other animal species have been doing it for hundreds of millions of years. Yes, it's hard, but so what? Oh, you mean removing yourself from society and illegally living in the wilderness? How do you pay for your hunting and camping licenses? >But, most will be frustrated, maybe even depressed This is obviously very different from being dead due to lack of food, water or shelter.
    - sly_foxx 11y ago
      "Oh, you mean removing yourself from society and illegally living in the wilderness?" - Yes, living in wilderness illegally or even taking resources from others. You don't pay for anything - you do what you gotta do, take what you want and try not to get caught. "This is obviously very different from being dead due to lack of food, water or shelter." Being frustrated or depressed is worse than being dead. When you're dead, you don't feel anything, so good/bad don't even make sense.
dang 11y ago
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timbits 11y ago

I like the way you think, but it's not two things you can compare. For once, living in decent conditions (3 meals a day, a roof on top of your head, ...) ranks much higher than dating and reproducing on Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Also, the gene pool is quite diversified and most people can find a match during their lifetime. It's not common for attractive people to have multiples spouses.

sly_foxx 11y ago
Who cares about 'Maslow's hierarchy of needs'? It's an arbitrary pyramid - you can create your own if you wish where you can rank internet as the most basic necessity. Also, the jobs pool is quite diversified and most people can find work during their lifetime. It's not common for highly skilled people to have multiples jobs.

fsloth 11y ago

"..there are more humans alive today fighting for the same resources" If by "resources" you mean world GDP, then no, the GDP per person has never been higher: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=world+gdp+%2F+world+population+from+1900+to+2015 http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=world+gdp+%2F+world+pop...

sly_foxx 11y ago
What does GDP have to do with resources? GDP measures volume of transactions. Resources are oil, gas, silver etc. Also, there is real estate. Land on Earth is limited. There are 10s of millions of people who want to live in Malibu, for example. But, number of spots there is limited, so who is going to live there? Those who have the most money. Do you get it now - more people alive means more competition for land and other resources.

lmm 11y ago

> You don't have a safety net when you get dumped. You know, if your girlfriend dumps you, you don't get another girl to give you blowjobs, because otherwise you might get depressed and suicidal. You're expected to figure it out on your own and you might not do it - you might end up lonely, without dates and maybe even commit suicide because of that. So maybe think outside your own box and figure out if there's any cheap social policy that would improve the lot of such people? I come up with: legalize prostitution, shorten copyright terms for pornography. Maybe lower emphasis on marriage and greater acceptance of polyamory, though that could go both ways. Try to culturally de-emphasize sex, and provide more life paths where singledom is accepted or expected (e.g. I've heard it argued that monasteries used to serve this function). > So, why not hold wage earners to the same standard? Huh? That's backwards. If giving everyone a decent dating partner was as easy as raising taxes a little bit and subsidising a few government-run services, of course we'd do it.

adrianN 11y ago

Your comment is basically flame bait, but I'll bite. Comparing a paying job with a girlfriend doesn't work. People can live perfectly well without a girlfriend, but it's hard to eat and pay rent if you don't have a stable income. This gives a lot of leverage to employers because employees can't just quit their job.

sly_foxx 11y ago
Yes, comparison works and is spot on. You can survive without stable income - humans and many other animal species have been doing it for hundreds of millions of years. Yes, it's hard, but so what? Why would that be a reason to create a safety net(by taking from productive people and giving it to parasites)? 'People can live perfectly well without a girlfriend' This is false. Some people who are asexual can do it. But, most will be frustrated, maybe even depressed. Are you familiar with Elliot Rodgers? A mass shooter who over a year ago killed/injured a bunch of people(students) in California. Why? He tells us - because women didn't want him. If you read some comments online, a lot of guys are sympathetic to his feelings, even though they wouldn't go as far as he did. Also, because straight men have a strong sexual desire + desire for reproduction, women can be like employers. What if you quit relationship with your girlfriend/wife? Will you able to find another one? It would be like you're a low-skilled employee. Women have a lot of leverage.
- unprepare 11y ago
  >You can survive without stable income - humans and many other animal species have been doing it for hundreds of millions of years. Yes, it's hard, but so what? Oh, you mean removing yourself from society and illegally living in the wilderness? How do you pay for your hunting and camping licenses? >But, most will be frustrated, maybe even depressed This is obviously very different from being dead due to lack of food, water or shelter.
  - sly_foxx 11y ago
    "Oh, you mean removing yourself from society and illegally living in the wilderness?" - Yes, living in wilderness illegally or even taking resources from others. You don't pay for anything - you do what you gotta do, take what you want and try not to get caught. "This is obviously very different from being dead due to lack of food, water or shelter." Being frustrated or depressed is worse than being dead. When you're dead, you don't feel anything, so good/bad don't even make sense.

dang 11y ago

Hi, I'm a moderator on HN. Comments like "Can you think outside of the communist box?" and "Don't be a hypocrite" break the HN guidelines, which is probably why your post was downvoted. When posting here, please ensure that your comments are civil and substantive. You can (re-)read the following to get a better idea of what we're looking for: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10879391 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10879391 and marked it off-topic.