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You really have no idea. 2009 was mild for SV. The dotcom bust per-capita was worse than the autoindustry layoffs in the 80s. I lived through it. It was ver

You really have no idea. 2009 was mild for SV. The dotcom bust per-capita was worse than the autoindustry layoffs in the 80s. I lived through it. It was very hard, and some people I know were out of jobs for 2 years. Our company had half a dozen layoffs in 12 months and we shrank by 50%. If 2016 is half of what 2001 was, then most new grads won't get jobs.

tsunamifury 11y ago
No I do have an idea, and I think you'd be better off not making silly assumptions. I was unemployed and living in my car for 18 months in SV, because I wasn't yet tech-trained in 2009. If you were an engineer casting your cold eye on the world, I'm sure you turned your nose up at the millions of us who were't in tech then. Or maybe we just didn't count us as real people.
- pfarnsworth 11y ago
  Your past experiences are truly irrelevant to the point you made and what I was responding to. And your ad hominem attacks are misplaced as well. You have admitted you didn't go through the 2001 bust, so you, by definition, have no idea what it was like. Dismissing talk of 2016 being a bad year as doom-saying, exaggerating or self-aggrandizing clearly shows you have no idea how bad it can get for the industry as a whole. I don't care if you were unemployed and living in a car for 18 months in 2009/2010, because it's irrelevant to the point. There are plenty of people unemployed and living in cars even during the dotcom boom. But 2009/2010 weren't anything compared to the depths of the dotcom bust.
  - dang 11y ago
    The user you're replying to was too aggressive in their comment, but you're doing that as well. Please just be nice when commenting here.
    - pfarnsworth 11y ago
      No, I wasn't too aggressive at all. I used very unaggressive words, on purpose in fact. What's worse than two people disagreeing is some nanny police or censorship mod who is overly policing every single word used. Please don't turn HN into that kind of forum.
      - dang 11y ago
        It sounds like I misread you.
cageface 11y ago
I was lucky enough to be in a strong company for the 2000 bust but I remember we'd get at least 50 very qualified applications for every open position, plus another stack of far more desperate and less qualified people. It didn't really start to get better until 2003-2004. 2008-2009 wasn't anywhere near as bad for the overall tech job market.

tsunamifury 11y ago

No I do have an idea, and I think you'd be better off not making silly assumptions. I was unemployed and living in my car for 18 months in SV, because I wasn't yet tech-trained in 2009. If you were an engineer casting your cold eye on the world, I'm sure you turned your nose up at the millions of us who were't in tech then. Or maybe we just didn't count us as real people.

pfarnsworth 11y ago
Your past experiences are truly irrelevant to the point you made and what I was responding to. And your ad hominem attacks are misplaced as well. You have admitted you didn't go through the 2001 bust, so you, by definition, have no idea what it was like. Dismissing talk of 2016 being a bad year as doom-saying, exaggerating or self-aggrandizing clearly shows you have no idea how bad it can get for the industry as a whole. I don't care if you were unemployed and living in a car for 18 months in 2009/2010, because it's irrelevant to the point. There are plenty of people unemployed and living in cars even during the dotcom boom. But 2009/2010 weren't anything compared to the depths of the dotcom bust.
- dang 11y ago
  The user you're replying to was too aggressive in their comment, but you're doing that as well. Please just be nice when commenting here.
  - pfarnsworth 11y ago
    No, I wasn't too aggressive at all. I used very unaggressive words, on purpose in fact. What's worse than two people disagreeing is some nanny police or censorship mod who is overly policing every single word used. Please don't turn HN into that kind of forum.
    - dang 11y ago
      It sounds like I misread you.

cageface 11y ago

I was lucky enough to be in a strong company for the 2000 bust but I remember we'd get at least 50 very qualified applications for every open position, plus another stack of far more desperate and less qualified people. It didn't really start to get better until 2003-2004. 2008-2009 wasn't anywhere near as bad for the overall tech job market.