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Arguably that's a bad thing for the customer though.

by BinaryIdiot 11y ago

coldtea 11y ago
Not if by that way they ensure better behavior from the driver.
- BinaryIdiot 11y ago
  But now you're paying more than the competition just to have a better driver. Also the driver can rate the person who took the car lower if they don't tip. So the tip essentially becomes a way to extort one another.
  - coldtea 11y ago
    >But now you're paying more than the competition just to have a better driver. Why use the word "just"? I'm paying more than the competition TO get a better driver. In fact I don't even have to pay (the tip) if I don't want to. I still get a better driver, because they try to get me to tip. >Also the driver can rate the person who took the car lower if they don't tip. So the tip essentially becomes a way to extort one another. Well, that's easy to solve: don't allow drivers to rate passengers.
    - BinaryIdiot 11y ago
      > In fact I don't even have to pay (the tip) if I don't want to. I still get a better driver, because they try to get me to tip. You'll begin to get the reputation that you don't tip. Why would anyone pick you up then? You're essentially forced to tip if you want continued, good service. > Well, that's easy to solve: don't allow drivers to rate passengers. That's not a solution though; that's a hack to remove an undesirable affect from another feature (tipping). Just like drivers can be rated by passengers the inverse is also very important. These are still people's private cars after all; do you really want no way to rate the guy who trashes someone's car or is just an asshat?
freyr 11y ago
I appreciated that Uber eliminated tipping. But from reading driver forums, it seems like Uber drivers increasingly expect a cash tip, and retaliate against passengers who don't tip by assigning low ratings. [1] http://uberpeople.net/threads/no-need-to-tip-policy.42850/ http://uberpeople.net/threads/no-need-to-tip-policy.42850/ [2] http://uberpeople.net/threads/5-rides-are-for-pax-that-tip.49644/ http://uberpeople.net/threads/5-rides-are-for-pax-that-tip.4... [3] http://uberpeople.net/threads/3-stars-for-no-tip-backfired.50593/ http://uberpeople.net/threads/3-stars-for-no-tip-backfired.5... [4] http://nypost.com/2015/08/12/does-your-uber-driver-expect-a-tip/ http://nypost.com/2015/08/12/does-your-uber-driver-expect-a-...
- geofft 11y ago
  Fascinating! How are you supposed to figure this out?
  - morgante 11y ago
    You're not. The vast majority of Uber riders never tip and it's just ridiculously greedy propaganda from Uber drivers that you should.
- baddox 11y ago
  Despite the seemingly representative anecdote in your last link, I'm very hesitant to believe that most Uber drivers in San Francisco expect a cash tip. This hesitance is based primarily on the fact that I have never heard of tipping with cash, and I know very few (if any) people here that routinely carry cash, especially small bills. But perhaps the practice really is more common and expected in other demographics, like tourists.
- prezjordan 11y ago
  Wait, some drivers give passengers bad ratings if they don't tip?
  - adevine 11y ago
    Yes
adevine 11y ago
I disagree. The situation with Uber is this "well, should I tip in cash?" limbo. I've seen a bunch of articles recently about how some travelers are shocked to learn they have a less than 5 star rating from Uber drivers because they don't tip.
- morgante 11y ago
  > The situation with Uber is this "well, should I tip in cash?" limbo. No, just refuse to tip. It's not built in to the app because tipping is a stupid practice which needs to die. Drivers, of course, like tips. Of course they're going to push a narrative that you need to tip. Everyone answers yes when you ask if they'd like to get paid more. That doesn't mean you ever need to tip. Tipping is a stupid practice which needs to die, and Uber is helping to kill it. I've never tipped in Uber and I've also never had trouble getting a ride.

Arguably that's a bad thing for the customer though.

coldtea 11y ago

Not if by that way they ensure better behavior from the driver.

BinaryIdiot 11y ago
But now you're paying more than the competition just to have a better driver. Also the driver can rate the person who took the car lower if they don't tip. So the tip essentially becomes a way to extort one another.
- coldtea 11y ago
  >But now you're paying more than the competition just to have a better driver. Why use the word "just"? I'm paying more than the competition TO get a better driver. In fact I don't even have to pay (the tip) if I don't want to. I still get a better driver, because they try to get me to tip. >Also the driver can rate the person who took the car lower if they don't tip. So the tip essentially becomes a way to extort one another. Well, that's easy to solve: don't allow drivers to rate passengers.
  - BinaryIdiot 11y ago
    > In fact I don't even have to pay (the tip) if I don't want to. I still get a better driver, because they try to get me to tip. You'll begin to get the reputation that you don't tip. Why would anyone pick you up then? You're essentially forced to tip if you want continued, good service. > Well, that's easy to solve: don't allow drivers to rate passengers. That's not a solution though; that's a hack to remove an undesirable affect from another feature (tipping). Just like drivers can be rated by passengers the inverse is also very important. These are still people's private cars after all; do you really want no way to rate the guy who trashes someone's car or is just an asshat?

freyr 11y ago

I appreciated that Uber eliminated tipping. But from reading driver forums, it seems like Uber drivers increasingly expect a cash tip, and retaliate against passengers who don't tip by assigning low ratings. [1] http://uberpeople.net/threads/no-need-to-tip-policy.42850/ http://uberpeople.net/threads/no-need-to-tip-policy.42850/ [2] http://uberpeople.net/threads/5-rides-are-for-pax-that-tip.49644/ http://uberpeople.net/threads/5-rides-are-for-pax-that-tip.4... [3] http://uberpeople.net/threads/3-stars-for-no-tip-backfired.50593/ http://uberpeople.net/threads/3-stars-for-no-tip-backfired.5... [4] http://nypost.com/2015/08/12/does-your-uber-driver-expect-a-tip/ http://nypost.com/2015/08/12/does-your-uber-driver-expect-a-...

geofft 11y ago
Fascinating! How are you supposed to figure this out?
- morgante 11y ago
  You're not. The vast majority of Uber riders never tip and it's just ridiculously greedy propaganda from Uber drivers that you should.
baddox 11y ago
Despite the seemingly representative anecdote in your last link, I'm very hesitant to believe that most Uber drivers in San Francisco expect a cash tip. This hesitance is based primarily on the fact that I have never heard of tipping with cash, and I know very few (if any) people here that routinely carry cash, especially small bills. But perhaps the practice really is more common and expected in other demographics, like tourists.
prezjordan 11y ago
Wait, some drivers give passengers bad ratings if they don't tip?
- adevine 11y ago
  Yes

adevine 11y ago

I disagree. The situation with Uber is this "well, should I tip in cash?" limbo. I've seen a bunch of articles recently about how some travelers are shocked to learn they have a less than 5 star rating from Uber drivers because they don't tip.

morgante 11y ago
> The situation with Uber is this "well, should I tip in cash?" limbo. No, just refuse to tip. It's not built in to the app because tipping is a stupid practice which needs to die. Drivers, of course, like tips. Of course they're going to push a narrative that you need to tip. Everyone answers yes when you ask if they'd like to get paid more. That doesn't mean you ever need to tip. Tipping is a stupid practice which needs to die, and Uber is helping to kill it. I've never tipped in Uber and I've also never had trouble getting a ride.