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Yes, I am familiar with them. The tooling has been really good of late. Android Studio has really improved and it is no longer as bad as it was with Eclipse.

pjmlp 11y ago
I bet you don't use the NDK then.
- mundanevoice 11y ago
  Nope, I don't.
  - pjmlp 11y ago
    Then as info: - Gradle still doesn't provide half of the functionality of the ndk-build scripts - Studio still not up to what Eclipse CDT provided - We NDK users were left dry while they figure out how to provide proper support For both NDK and SDK, lots of bugs to choose from: https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list Then going back to the SDK, any professional Android developer can enumerate lots of issues when you need to get information. Also I am yet to see a release of the support library that isn't followed by complaints in G+.
    - mundanevoice 11y ago
      I sympathise with your problem and I understand it must be pretty shitty. But Java is the main language for Android, C/C++ support is via NDK. Since a majority of devs write in Java, naturally more emphasis is given on the Java ecosystem and not the NDK, which is definitely sad. Also, what big Open Source project doesn't have issues? Could you name one?
      - pjmlp 11y ago
        Yet Microsoft and NVidia are able to provide a much better experience for NDK users, for a platform they don't own. So what are those Google experts doing? I like Java a lot, but C++ is the current kind of portability across mobile OS for native applications, as common language across SDKs. If I would be doing this commercially, I would have gone Xamarin already.
        pcwalton 11y ago
        > Yet Microsoft and NVidia are able to provide a much better experience for NDK users, for a platform they don't own. Yeah, it's stunning how impossible it is in 2016 to profile native code on Android with Google tools. Meanwhile, Apple has had arguably the best CPU profiler available anywhere on any platform (Instruments.app) for years and years. NVIDIA has done an incredible job making this basic functionality work on their Android systems…yet, sadly, their work doesn't extend to all Android platforms.

pjmlp 11y ago

I bet you don't use the NDK then.

mundanevoice 11y ago
Nope, I don't.
- pjmlp 11y ago
  Then as info: - Gradle still doesn't provide half of the functionality of the ndk-build scripts - Studio still not up to what Eclipse CDT provided - We NDK users were left dry while they figure out how to provide proper support For both NDK and SDK, lots of bugs to choose from: https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list Then going back to the SDK, any professional Android developer can enumerate lots of issues when you need to get information. Also I am yet to see a release of the support library that isn't followed by complaints in G+.
  - mundanevoice 11y ago
    I sympathise with your problem and I understand it must be pretty shitty. But Java is the main language for Android, C/C++ support is via NDK. Since a majority of devs write in Java, naturally more emphasis is given on the Java ecosystem and not the NDK, which is definitely sad. Also, what big Open Source project doesn't have issues? Could you name one?
    - pjmlp 11y ago
      Yet Microsoft and NVidia are able to provide a much better experience for NDK users, for a platform they don't own. So what are those Google experts doing? I like Java a lot, but C++ is the current kind of portability across mobile OS for native applications, as common language across SDKs. If I would be doing this commercially, I would have gone Xamarin already.
      - pcwalton 11y ago
        > Yet Microsoft and NVidia are able to provide a much better experience for NDK users, for a platform they don't own. Yeah, it's stunning how impossible it is in 2016 to profile native code on Android with Google tools. Meanwhile, Apple has had arguably the best CPU profiler available anywhere on any platform (Instruments.app) for years and years. NVIDIA has done an incredible job making this basic functionality work on their Android systems…yet, sadly, their work doesn't extend to all Android platforms.