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Graal.js: High-Performance JavaScript on the JVM by Christian Wirth

16 points by jerven 11y ago

jerven 11y ago
The great team keeps on surprising me in nice ways. If this js and java integration works as nice as demonstrated we could use a js frontend on our java backend without going via json objects over the wire but in one process.
- jjn2009 11y ago
  this appears to be the main benefit, bringing node code closer to existing java based stacks.
brudgers 11y ago
Graal uses the OTN licence. It states: License Rights We grant You a revocable, nonexclusive, nontransferable, royalty-free and limited right to (a) use one (1) copy of the binary portions of the Programs and any Supplemental Programs for the sole purpose of internal non-production and non-commercial evaluation and testing of the Programs, including, developing no more than a single prototype of each of Your applications; and (b) if provided by Us at our sole discretion, view the source code portions of the Programs internally for the purposes of evaluation and testing only (collectively, “Authorized Use”). All rights not expressly granted above are hereby reserved. If You want to use the Oracle Technology for any purpose other than as permitted under this agreement, including but not limited to distribution of the Oracle Technology or the application You develop or any use of the Oracle Technology or the application You develop for Your internal business purposes (other than the Authorized Use), You must obtain a valid Oracle license permitting such use. http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/licenses/early-adopter-license-2299792.html http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/licenses/early-adopter-lic...
- vdnkh 11y ago
  >(a) use one (1) copy of the binary portions of the Programs and any Supplemental Programs for the sole purpose of internal non-production and non-commercial evaluation and testing of the Programs, including, developing no more than a single prototype of each of Your applications; How could someone with any dev experience think this is reasonable, let alone enforceable?
  - jerven 11y ago
    You can get most of this with the gpl2 plus classpath exception at the university of linz site. Or the relevant openjdk repository. the other version has autovectorisation and this graal.js. But the team hopes to opensource that too. So once it's production ready the license will change to the standard oracle jdk or openjdk one as you wish. http://lafo.ssw.uni-linz.ac.at/builds http://lafo.ssw.uni-linz.ac.at/builds
- EvanPlaice 11y ago
  Well... That's a deal breaker. It reads like: "We need free beta testers and early adopters to depend on our software. Later we'll charge exorbitant licensing fees when it's put into production or sue them out of existence." Considering the Google/Java court battles. I wouldn't touch anything made by Oracle with a 20 foot pole.
  - bmc7505 11y ago
    According to Christian Wirth, they are, "working on open sourcing it." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUo3BFMwQFo&t=522 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUo3BFMwQFo&t=522
- EvanPlaice 11y ago
  Well... That's a deal breaker. It reads like: "We need free beta testers and early adopters to depend on our software. Later we'll charge exorbitant licensing fees when it's put into production or sue them out of existence." Considering the Google/Java court battles. I wouldn't touch anything made by Oracle with a 20 foot pole.

16 points by jerven 11y ago

The great team keeps on surprising me in nice ways. If this js and java integration works as nice as demonstrated we could use a js frontend on our java backend without going via json objects over the wire but in one process.

jjn2009 11y ago
this appears to be the main benefit, bringing node code closer to existing java based stacks.

brudgers 11y ago

Graal uses the OTN licence. It states: License Rights We grant You a revocable, nonexclusive, nontransferable, royalty-free and limited right to (a) use one (1) copy of the binary portions of the Programs and any Supplemental Programs for the sole purpose of internal non-production and non-commercial evaluation and testing of the Programs, including, developing no more than a single prototype of each of Your applications; and (b) if provided by Us at our sole discretion, view the source code portions of the Programs internally for the purposes of evaluation and testing only (collectively, “Authorized Use”). All rights not expressly granted above are hereby reserved. If You want to use the Oracle Technology for any purpose other than as permitted under this agreement, including but not limited to distribution of the Oracle Technology or the application You develop or any use of the Oracle Technology or the application You develop for Your internal business purposes (other than the Authorized Use), You must obtain a valid Oracle license permitting such use. http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/licenses/early-adopter-license-2299792.html http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/licenses/early-adopter-lic...

vdnkh 11y ago
>(a) use one (1) copy of the binary portions of the Programs and any Supplemental Programs for the sole purpose of internal non-production and non-commercial evaluation and testing of the Programs, including, developing no more than a single prototype of each of Your applications; How could someone with any dev experience think this is reasonable, let alone enforceable?
- jerven 11y ago
  You can get most of this with the gpl2 plus classpath exception at the university of linz site. Or the relevant openjdk repository. the other version has autovectorisation and this graal.js. But the team hopes to opensource that too. So once it's production ready the license will change to the standard oracle jdk or openjdk one as you wish. http://lafo.ssw.uni-linz.ac.at/builds http://lafo.ssw.uni-linz.ac.at/builds
EvanPlaice 11y ago
Well... That's a deal breaker. It reads like: "We need free beta testers and early adopters to depend on our software. Later we'll charge exorbitant licensing fees when it's put into production or sue them out of existence." Considering the Google/Java court battles. I wouldn't touch anything made by Oracle with a 20 foot pole.
- bmc7505 11y ago
  According to Christian Wirth, they are, "working on open sourcing it." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUo3BFMwQFo&t=522 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUo3BFMwQFo&t=522
EvanPlaice 11y ago
Well... That's a deal breaker. It reads like: "We need free beta testers and early adopters to depend on our software. Later we'll charge exorbitant licensing fees when it's put into production or sue them out of existence." Considering the Google/Java court battles. I wouldn't touch anything made by Oracle with a 20 foot pole.