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Barefoot Running

44 points by unignorant 17y ago

thras 17y ago
It's not just the forefoot striking (also, Vibram != barefoot, call them minimal, if anything). When you run barefoot, you don't do anything stupid with your feet, like subjecting them to lots of impact, because it hurts!
kebaman 17y ago
Since high school cross country in the 1970's, we were told the proper distance running form is rolling heal-to-toe, while for the short distance sprinters the form is to land on toes or the balls of the feet. This could be one of those shockers where something I've learned turns out to be false. Still, I'm still finding it hard to imagine running, say, ten miles by landing on the front part of the foot and not the heal first. Maybe we humans aren't naturally evolved to run ten mile distances. I give it a try, but I suspect I'll be a heal-to-toe distance runner.
- unignorant 17y ago
  There is a great deal of evidence that humans not only can run long distances, but have evolved to do so. The idea is that before primitive weapons (bow and arrow or whatnot), this is how we caught food -- by simply running it down. From other sources: "Biomechanical research reveals a surprising key to the survival of our species: Humans are built to outrun nearly every other animal on the planet over long distances." http://discovermagazine.com/2006/may/tramps-like-us http://discovermagazine.com/2006/may/tramps-like-us
  - karzeem 17y ago
    Here's David Attenborough narrating a modern-day persistence hunt. It's fascinating stuff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUpo_mA5RP8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUpo_mA5RP8
    - ekanes 17y ago
      Wow. That was amazing, thanks for the link. Note that you can see (supposedly) how his feet land as he runs at 3:11
      - volare 17y ago
        Yes, but it's also interesting that he's chosen to wear modern shoes.
        ekanes 17y ago
        Agreed. My guess is the shoes broaden his foot and make it easier to run on sandy and unstable surfaces.
  - sketerpot 17y ago
    In other words, we are the Terminators of the animal kingdom: we just keep on coming when any reasonable animal would be collapsing of exhaustion.
- mrduncan 17y ago
  I really recommend that you check out the book Born to Run [1] which examines barefoot running and how we've evolved. It's been a while since I read it, but I believe it even includes a chapter about persistence hunting [2]. 1. http://www.amazon.com/Born-Run-Hidden-Superathletes-Greatest/dp/0307266303 http://www.amazon.com/Born-Run-Hidden-Superathletes-Greatest... 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_hunting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_hunting
- eru 17y ago
  Strange. I can't image running heel-to-tow on any distance. While I usually walk heel-to-tow -- running this way just feels painful. By landing on the front part my muscles act like a spring upon impact. I find mid-foot strikes barely acceptable. Edit: Re-read the article. I guess I just ran in cheap "minimal footwear" all my life. Now is this a good or a bad thing?
  - shrughes 17y ago
    Until middle school I ran toe-first and also walked toe-first, or at least definitely not heel-first -- that changed when I joined the marching band.
- xiaoma 17y ago
  Of all the primates, only humans have giant Achilles tendons and glutes, both of which are distance running adaptations. Ditto for our highly efficient sweat-cooling system.
- toplakm 17y ago
  You can get used to landing on your toes. It took me quite a while to get used to, but I managed to run a half-marathon six months after I started doing it.
spatulon 17y ago
A couple of recent HN threads about barefoot running: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1082153 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1082153 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1056665 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1056665
teye 17y ago
Nature is one of the top scientific journals out there -- awesome to see them covering barefoot. I've been wearing Vibram Five Fingers and running on the fore- and mid-foot for about two years. Running barefoot and landing on your heel jars your entire body (knees in particular) and isn't sustainable for long distances. Cavemen certainly didn't run this way, and we haven't evolved fast enough for our optimal mechanism to be any different. There's plenty of evidence that humans have evolved to be better long-distance runners than any other animal. The amount of impact energy returned by our tendons is highest, and human ultrarunners can go over 50 miles in one sitting. For a couple weeks, my calves screamed and my feet were sore as they strengthened. Then after a month I started to get used to running on the balls of my feet. After two months, I felt totally comfortable with the new style. Also, my trouble with Illiotibial Band Syndrome disappeared within two weeks of starting to run barefoot.
- kgroll 17y ago
  Not only is heel planting unsustainable for long distances, it is also extremely uncomfortable when running any distance. If you're planting poorly in forgiving, modern running shoes, you can get away with it. Switch to Five Fingers however, and you're immediately aware of a bad foot strike position. For me, this kind of feedback was exactly what I needed to improve my stride. For the mountain bikers out there - think of a full suspension bike versus a hardtail. The full suspension is undeniably a smoother ride, but it's universally agreed that a hardtail forces you improve your technical riding, since you don't have all that squish to eat up your mistakes.
- tel 17y ago
  I just started last week and can I ever reiterate the calf-screaming bit. I think that's fascinating though. Until just recently I never even touched on how weak my calves must be. Now I'm hoping to learn the depths of it.
- gomer 17y ago
  I really want to start running in this barefoot style but I am having trouble knowing if I am using a proper technique. I know it is mostly about landing on your ball or just below it but that is about the extent of my understanding. Could you provide any resources?
baltoo 17y ago
I feel that there seems to be a, albeit perhaps weak, correlation between hackers/geeks and some kinds of physical activity. Mostly I'm thinking of running and mountain climbing. While of course I'm biased and base my observations upon the plural of anecdote, I still find this observation to hold true. I could of course hazard some kind of guess to why, but more interestingly, I think, would be if there was any kind of non-anecdotal data covering this. Has anyone heard/read about any evidence for or against this?
- lmkg 17y ago
  I saw a study a few years ago across athletes in school, correlating cross-country running with a higher average GPA. In fact, cross-country was the only sport with a GPA higher than the student body as a whole. I realize this isn't exactly the same as "geeks," and I apologize for the lack of specifics, but yes, there is evidence for some sort of link.
  - noahlt 17y ago
    This might be because at most schools there are no cuts to the cross country team.
- mbrubeck 17y ago
  No less anecdotal, but the classic "Real Programmers Don't Eat Quiche" includes: "Real Programmers don't play tennis, or any other sport which requires a change of clothes. Mountain Climbing is acceptable. Real Programmers wear climbing boots to work in case a mountain should suddenly spring up in the middle of the machine room." http://www.lib.ru/ANEKDOTY/quiche.txt http://www.lib.ru/ANEKDOTY/quiche.txt
  - dpapathanasiou 17y ago
    Not funny if intended as a joke, and ridiculous otherwise. More dumb stereotyping.
    - lmkg 17y ago
grannyg00se 17y ago
I've run with Vibram originals on asphalt and also run sock-footed on a treadmill almost daily. At some point everything clicked, and I felt like all of my lower body joints were built to run this way. There was a fluidity, and an optimization of movement that seemed to kick in. Upper body movement is reduced, posture is improved, and overall strain is reduced. And yes, the first few times my calves felt like they were going to explode. Very sore and stiff. I would wake up and nearly fall to the ground when I tried to walk. After a few weeks this problem went away.
TrevorJ 17y ago
I can best describe running barefoot as feeling very very fleet on your feet. running on the balls of your feet feels fast, very very fast. edit: grammar.
tynman 17y ago
How I Became a Barefoot Runner http://suburbiarebooted.blogspot.com/2010/01/how-i-became-barefoot-runner.html http://suburbiarebooted.blogspot.com/2010/01/how-i-became-ba...

44 points by unignorant 17y ago

thras 17y ago

It's not just the forefoot striking (also, Vibram != barefoot, call them minimal, if anything). When you run barefoot, you don't do anything stupid with your feet, like subjecting them to lots of impact, because it hurts!

kebaman 17y ago

Since high school cross country in the 1970's, we were told the proper distance running form is rolling heal-to-toe, while for the short distance sprinters the form is to land on toes or the balls of the feet. This could be one of those shockers where something I've learned turns out to be false. Still, I'm still finding it hard to imagine running, say, ten miles by landing on the front part of the foot and not the heal first. Maybe we humans aren't naturally evolved to run ten mile distances. I give it a try, but I suspect I'll be a heal-to-toe distance runner.

unignorant 17y ago
There is a great deal of evidence that humans not only can run long distances, but have evolved to do so. The idea is that before primitive weapons (bow and arrow or whatnot), this is how we caught food -- by simply running it down. From other sources: "Biomechanical research reveals a surprising key to the survival of our species: Humans are built to outrun nearly every other animal on the planet over long distances." http://discovermagazine.com/2006/may/tramps-like-us http://discovermagazine.com/2006/may/tramps-like-us
- karzeem 17y ago
  Here's David Attenborough narrating a modern-day persistence hunt. It's fascinating stuff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUpo_mA5RP8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUpo_mA5RP8
  - ekanes 17y ago
    Wow. That was amazing, thanks for the link. Note that you can see (supposedly) how his feet land as he runs at 3:11
    - volare 17y ago
      Yes, but it's also interesting that he's chosen to wear modern shoes.
      - ekanes 17y ago
        Agreed. My guess is the shoes broaden his foot and make it easier to run on sandy and unstable surfaces.
- sketerpot 17y ago
  In other words, we are the Terminators of the animal kingdom: we just keep on coming when any reasonable animal would be collapsing of exhaustion.
mrduncan 17y ago
I really recommend that you check out the book Born to Run [1] which examines barefoot running and how we've evolved. It's been a while since I read it, but I believe it even includes a chapter about persistence hunting [2]. 1. http://www.amazon.com/Born-Run-Hidden-Superathletes-Greatest/dp/0307266303 http://www.amazon.com/Born-Run-Hidden-Superathletes-Greatest... 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_hunting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_hunting
eru 17y ago
Strange. I can't image running heel-to-tow on any distance. While I usually walk heel-to-tow -- running this way just feels painful. By landing on the front part my muscles act like a spring upon impact. I find mid-foot strikes barely acceptable. Edit: Re-read the article. I guess I just ran in cheap "minimal footwear" all my life. Now is this a good or a bad thing?
- shrughes 17y ago
  Until middle school I ran toe-first and also walked toe-first, or at least definitely not heel-first -- that changed when I joined the marching band.
xiaoma 17y ago
Of all the primates, only humans have giant Achilles tendons and glutes, both of which are distance running adaptations. Ditto for our highly efficient sweat-cooling system.
toplakm 17y ago
You can get used to landing on your toes. It took me quite a while to get used to, but I managed to run a half-marathon six months after I started doing it.

spatulon 17y ago

A couple of recent HN threads about barefoot running: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1082153 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1082153 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1056665 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1056665

teye 17y ago

Nature is one of the top scientific journals out there -- awesome to see them covering barefoot. I've been wearing Vibram Five Fingers and running on the fore- and mid-foot for about two years. Running barefoot and landing on your heel jars your entire body (knees in particular) and isn't sustainable for long distances. Cavemen certainly didn't run this way, and we haven't evolved fast enough for our optimal mechanism to be any different. There's plenty of evidence that humans have evolved to be better long-distance runners than any other animal. The amount of impact energy returned by our tendons is highest, and human ultrarunners can go over 50 miles in one sitting. For a couple weeks, my calves screamed and my feet were sore as they strengthened. Then after a month I started to get used to running on the balls of my feet. After two months, I felt totally comfortable with the new style. Also, my trouble with Illiotibial Band Syndrome disappeared within two weeks of starting to run barefoot.

kgroll 17y ago
Not only is heel planting unsustainable for long distances, it is also extremely uncomfortable when running any distance. If you're planting poorly in forgiving, modern running shoes, you can get away with it. Switch to Five Fingers however, and you're immediately aware of a bad foot strike position. For me, this kind of feedback was exactly what I needed to improve my stride. For the mountain bikers out there - think of a full suspension bike versus a hardtail. The full suspension is undeniably a smoother ride, but it's universally agreed that a hardtail forces you improve your technical riding, since you don't have all that squish to eat up your mistakes.
tel 17y ago
I just started last week and can I ever reiterate the calf-screaming bit. I think that's fascinating though. Until just recently I never even touched on how weak my calves must be. Now I'm hoping to learn the depths of it.
gomer 17y ago
I really want to start running in this barefoot style but I am having trouble knowing if I am using a proper technique. I know it is mostly about landing on your ball or just below it but that is about the extent of my understanding. Could you provide any resources?

baltoo 17y ago

I feel that there seems to be a, albeit perhaps weak, correlation between hackers/geeks and some kinds of physical activity. Mostly I'm thinking of running and mountain climbing. While of course I'm biased and base my observations upon the plural of anecdote, I still find this observation to hold true. I could of course hazard some kind of guess to why, but more interestingly, I think, would be if there was any kind of non-anecdotal data covering this. Has anyone heard/read about any evidence for or against this?

lmkg 17y ago
I saw a study a few years ago across athletes in school, correlating cross-country running with a higher average GPA. In fact, cross-country was the only sport with a GPA higher than the student body as a whole. I realize this isn't exactly the same as "geeks," and I apologize for the lack of specifics, but yes, there is evidence for some sort of link.
- noahlt 17y ago
  This might be because at most schools there are no cuts to the cross country team.
mbrubeck 17y ago
No less anecdotal, but the classic "Real Programmers Don't Eat Quiche" includes: "Real Programmers don't play tennis, or any other sport which requires a change of clothes. Mountain Climbing is acceptable. Real Programmers wear climbing boots to work in case a mountain should suddenly spring up in the middle of the machine room." http://www.lib.ru/ANEKDOTY/quiche.txt http://www.lib.ru/ANEKDOTY/quiche.txt
- dpapathanasiou 17y ago
  Not funny if intended as a joke, and ridiculous otherwise. More dumb stereotyping.
  - lmkg 17y ago

grannyg00se 17y ago

I've run with Vibram originals on asphalt and also run sock-footed on a treadmill almost daily. At some point everything clicked, and I felt like all of my lower body joints were built to run this way. There was a fluidity, and an optimization of movement that seemed to kick in. Upper body movement is reduced, posture is improved, and overall strain is reduced. And yes, the first few times my calves felt like they were going to explode. Very sore and stiff. I would wake up and nearly fall to the ground when I tried to walk. After a few weeks this problem went away.

TrevorJ 17y ago

I can best describe running barefoot as feeling very very fleet on your feet. running on the balls of your feet feels fast, very very fast. edit: grammar.

tynman 17y ago

How I Became a Barefoot Runner http://suburbiarebooted.blogspot.com/2010/01/how-i-became-barefoot-runner.html http://suburbiarebooted.blogspot.com/2010/01/how-i-became-ba...