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"My response is always that our modern world is bad for you." Is there any other place or time that would be less bad? Going back through history: - In the 20
by apsec112 11y ago
"My response is always that our modern world is bad for you."
Is there any other place or time that would be less bad? Going back through history:
- In the 20th century, factories were far dirtier than today; the gasoline was still full of lead; London had its infamous killer smogs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Smog); https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Smog); rivers routinely caught on fire from industrial waste (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuyahoga_River); https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuyahoga_River); etc.
- In the 19th century, all kinds of common products (especially medicines) were hideously toxic. Mercury was used to make hats, so people became "mad as a hatter" from heavy metal poisoning. Famous artists painted with arsenic paint (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_green https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_green). Abraham Lincoln's doctors gave him mercury poisoning (http://www3.uah.es/farmamol/The%20Pharmaceutical%20Century/Ch1.html http://www3.uah.es/farmamol/The%20Pharmaceutical%20Century/C...). There's a history book called "The Arsenic Century: How Victorian Britain Was Poisoned at Home, Work, & Play" (http://www.amazon.com/The-Arsenic-Century-Victorian-Poisoned/dp/0199605998 http://www.amazon.com/The-Arsenic-Century-Victorian-Poisoned...).
- In the 16th century, the popularity of pale skin lead women to use lead-based pale makeup, with accompanying lead poisoning and skin damage (http://www.elizabethancostume.net/makeup.html http://www.elizabethancostume.net/makeup.html).
- In Roman times, lead was ubiquitous. Of course, lead was used for the plumbing which carried the water supply. But just in case that wasn't enough, they would boil juice in lead pots to create "sugar of lead", which was used as a sweetener in cooking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead(II)_acetate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead(II)_acetate).
- Even in hunter-gatherer times, all kinds of naturally occurring substances would have been toxic. Poisonous plants were ubiquitous, as were poisonous substances in the water (drunk straight from the river or pond, remember). "Clostridia bacteria, for example, live in the soil but infect humans in a variety of nasty ways. These germs will grow on food, leaving the toxins that cause botulism".
- roymurdock 11y agoThe difference is that today, we know these chemicals and pollutants to be harmful, and yet we still allow them to be produced on an increasing scale. Mercury, arsenic, lead, natural bacteria and fungi - we didn't know these were bad when they were prevalent killers - as you point out yourself, we even thought they had medicinal properties in some cases. Nobody is going to go around today sprinkling PFOA in their daily oatmeal for its purported medicinal properties, but they might get their ground springs poisoned as the result of known and accepted runoff from a nearby plant. The environmental poisoning of today is the result of negligence and fraud rather than ignorance.
- dexwiz 11y agoI don't argue with that. Poisoning the environment and ourselves in nothing new. And it is not limited to humans. You can get sick from drinking stream water for a number of reasons, some of them "natrual." But people think animals are somehow immune. Wrong, they die from bad water or random infections also. The world has never been safe or pure. But we are actively making it worse, and are not improving anytime soon. It may seem like only greedy people do these kind of things, but we are all causing it. Everyone lauds solar polar for being green, but completely gloss over the environmental costs.
- jacobolus 11y agoYou missed by far the biggest one: wood cook fires / hearths (or animal dung, or whatever). The vast majority of all people who ever lived (including a great number still today across the developing world) dealt with much worse air pollution, in the form of wood smoke, than the worst cigarette cloud you’ll ever find in a bar, or the worst smog you’ll ever find in a coal-powered city.
- CM30 11y agoNot to mention the old obsession with radiation in the 1900s. Like that Doramad Radioactive Toothpaste. Or the radioactive drinking water and skincare products from the same period. For all the chemicals in modern day products, at least we're not making everything radioactive under the guise of a cure everything drug.