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I want regular Linux on my phone, not Java Linux on my desktop.

by staunch 11y ago

dharma1 11y ago
http://www.ubuntu.com/phone http://www.ubuntu.com/phone
- jmnicolas 11y ago
  Isn't Ubuntu Phone using an Android kernel though ?
  - dharma1 11y ago
    Yes Android kernel, with some patches. These links might be useful: https://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/bq/2015/07/02/hacking-the-bq-part-4-building-and-booting-a-kernel/ https://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/bq/2015/07/02/hacking-the... https://github.com/bq/aquaris-E4.5/tree/aquaris-E4.5-ubuntu-master https://github.com/bq/aquaris-E4.5/tree/aquaris-E4.5-ubuntu-...
voltagex_ 11y ago
Help out with libhybris then or one of its downstream projects.
carussell 11y ago
Why? Serious question. And what do you mean by "Linux"? Would GNU coreutils and a terminal be sufficient, or is there something else you need?
- pixelbeat 11y ago
  Yes something like termux might be a sufficient addition to "android". Note a standard GNU coreutils build is about 15M, though one can configure to use a multi-call binary like busybox, reducing the install size to about 1M. See the coreutils-single subpackage in Fedora rawhide for example: http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/rpms/coreutils.git/commit/?id=fb9bc470 http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/rpms/coreutils.git/commit...
  - fredrikfornwall 11y ago
    When you 'apt install coreutils' in Termux you get coreutils installed as a multi-call binary to save space. 1556 kB for the package in total (including man pages).
wmf 11y ago
I have an N800 sitting around somewhere; make me an offer. True multitasking, full desktop Firefox with Flash Player, and 30 minute battery life.
- orbitingpluto 11y ago
  The battery lasted about three hours with heavy use. Standby life was about one week as well. (I still use a perma-docked n800 with 64GB storage Canola to listen to rsync'ed audiobooks.) I would seriously avoid using the browser, especially with Flash on that device at this point. Also I believe there's only a DoS CVE for SSH. With the OTG USB, they're still a cheaper alternative to lots of Raspberry Pi projects.
tobiaswk 11y ago
Java? What are you talking about? Android used to use it own process-based virtual machine; Dalvik. This is not the case anymore. Now Android Runtime (ART) is used. Applications are compiled to native machine code upon installation. There is no virtual machine.
- arthurfm 11y ago
  > Applications are compiled to native machine code upon installation What about apps created with the NDK?
  - tobiaswk 11y ago
    Basically the same result. NDK uses a customized cross-compiler built on the arm-eabi-gcc compiler.

I want regular Linux on my phone, not Java Linux on my desktop.

by staunch 11y ago

I want regular Linux on my phone, not Java Linux on my desktop.

dharma1 11y ago

http://www.ubuntu.com/phone http://www.ubuntu.com/phone

jmnicolas 11y ago
Isn't Ubuntu Phone using an Android kernel though ?
- dharma1 11y ago
  Yes Android kernel, with some patches. These links might be useful: https://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/bq/2015/07/02/hacking-the-bq-part-4-building-and-booting-a-kernel/ https://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/bq/2015/07/02/hacking-the... https://github.com/bq/aquaris-E4.5/tree/aquaris-E4.5-ubuntu-master https://github.com/bq/aquaris-E4.5/tree/aquaris-E4.5-ubuntu-...

voltagex_ 11y ago

Help out with libhybris then or one of its downstream projects.

carussell 11y ago

Why? Serious question. And what do you mean by "Linux"? Would GNU coreutils and a terminal be sufficient, or is there something else you need?

pixelbeat 11y ago
Yes something like termux might be a sufficient addition to "android". Note a standard GNU coreutils build is about 15M, though one can configure to use a multi-call binary like busybox, reducing the install size to about 1M. See the coreutils-single subpackage in Fedora rawhide for example: http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/rpms/coreutils.git/commit/?id=fb9bc470 http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/rpms/coreutils.git/commit...
- fredrikfornwall 11y ago
  When you 'apt install coreutils' in Termux you get coreutils installed as a multi-call binary to save space. 1556 kB for the package in total (including man pages).

wmf 11y ago

I have an N800 sitting around somewhere; make me an offer. True multitasking, full desktop Firefox with Flash Player, and 30 minute battery life.

orbitingpluto 11y ago
The battery lasted about three hours with heavy use. Standby life was about one week as well. (I still use a perma-docked n800 with 64GB storage Canola to listen to rsync'ed audiobooks.) I would seriously avoid using the browser, especially with Flash on that device at this point. Also I believe there's only a DoS CVE for SSH. With the OTG USB, they're still a cheaper alternative to lots of Raspberry Pi projects.

tobiaswk 11y ago

Java? What are you talking about? Android used to use it own process-based virtual machine; Dalvik. This is not the case anymore. Now Android Runtime (ART) is used. Applications are compiled to native machine code upon installation. There is no virtual machine.

arthurfm 11y ago
> Applications are compiled to native machine code upon installation What about apps created with the NDK?
- tobiaswk 11y ago
  Basically the same result. NDK uses a customized cross-compiler built on the arm-eabi-gcc compiler.