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This is not surprising to me at all, nor do I see anything nefarious in this. PayPal operates two different business units, a payments processing business and a
by URSpider94 11y ago
This is not surprising to me at all, nor do I see anything nefarious in this. PayPal operates two different business units, a payments processing business and a commercial loan business. Both operate on separate P&L's, and with different risk requirements.
Let's consider two different situations:
1. PayPal's payments processing group worries about the risk of your account, and thinks about applying a hold on your funds. Just before doing so, they call the loans group, who says that they'd be perfectly happy to give you a loan for the amount of the hold, you're good for it. So, Paypal as a whole decides not to place a hold.
2. Paypal's payment processing department worries about the risk of your account, so they place a hold on your deposits. In parallel, the loan department decides you're a good credit risk, and so you apply for and receive a loan for the same amount as the hold.
In case 1, if those payments do indeed get charged back, Paypal is forced to try to come after you for the balance. Unfortunately, this debt won't have very strong legal standing, because it's not backed by a loan agreement. They might or might not get their money back. It also puts them in the position of having to chase you for the money.
In case 2, if the payments get charged back, Paypal is sitting on the funds already, and can just claim them. This might cause you to default on the loan, but that's your problem now, not PayPal's. They are also making interest on the amount of the loan.
It's pretty clear that Case 2 is MUCH better for PayPal, and only marginally worse for you, assuming that you are right about the payments all being good -- you are only out the interest cost on the money. What you seem to be arguing is that PayPal should be "nice" to you and go with Case 1.
The other fact that you might be missing is that nearly all traditional payment processors would require some kind of reserve account in situations like this, and even if they weren't holding the money, they require that they have withdrawal privileges on the account into which the funds deposit so that they can claw back money if needed. PayPal is by no means unusual or abusive in holding funds, it just seems that way because they don't pitch this as part of their up-front marketing.
- nickpsecurity 11y agoWell-put. A parallel here is the pre-approvals for credit cards that people receive in the mail. It's not uncommon for a person to get those who is regularly turned down by offers or even in collections. There's just some algorithm or set of criteria by a certain company that says "send the offer" while others with different information or criteria would refuse it. Simple as that most of the time.
- aianus 11y ago> This might cause you to default on the loan, but that's your problem now, not PayPal's. Of course it's their problem. Instead of having $20,000 they have an IOU which may or may not ever be paid. Case 2 is exactly the same as Case 1 except for the extra interest which presumably covers the default risk. It would be a better customer experience to just straight-up charge extra fees for creditworthy customers with high chargeback risk instead of this Rube Goldberg setup which is logically equivalent.
- robryan 11y agoMight they have insurance that would cover your loan default but not the charge backs? Or the loans could be being resold from a 3rd party?
- mcv 11y agoIt's bizarre that it's apparently less risky for PayPal to explicitly take on risk by providing a loan, than to let people have access to their own money that was never intended for PayPal in the first place. I consider scenario 2 a case of PayPal stealing your money and loaning it back to you against interest. It should be illegal. The fact that this is legal is baffling to me. But it seems like US law offers some perverse incentives for payment providers.
- scotty79 11y ago> This is not surprising to me at all, nor do I see anything nefarious in this. PayPal operates two different business units, Only as nefarious as locking random person that came to your door in your basement then offering h(er|im) your company because (s|)he might be lonely.