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I can use diet to cause or fix acne in myself or another person in a week. It works every time. People who don't eat western diets don't get heart disease, acn

I can use diet to cause or fix acne in myself or another person in a week. It works every time. People who don't eat western diets don't get heart disease, acne, or many other inflammatory related conditions. Just look at this study Loren Cordain ran in Papua New Guinea: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12472346 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12472346 - 0 incidents of acne in the entire cohort. Pinning down the long term effects of individual nutrients is very difficult, but we know a lot more about the positive and negative effects of diet choices than this article lets on.

Lambdanaut 11y ago
I'm curious(and skeptical), what sort of diet do you change to?
- the_economist 11y ago
  It's pretty extreme. No sugar, no flour, no alcohol, no refined foods in general. No cheap oils (only olive oil). And no caffeine. Basically, the diet Tom Brady eats: http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2016/01/04/meet-the-chef-who-decides-what-tom-brady-eats-and-what-definitely-doesn/gERAd0pkpmuELDZztIA56K/story.html http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2016/01/04/me...
brandonmenc 11y ago
Acne is thought to be largely genetic [1], which could explain why no one in that study had it. Anecdotally, I had cystic acne as a teen and was cured after a single cycle of Accutane. It never returned, even though I kept eating the same diet - which included a lot of dairy and a lot of fast food. [1] http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bjd.12149/abstract;jsessionid=3A9F532B7ADB09F31B44D85A25CE3811.f02t02 http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bjd.12149/abstrac...
- the_economist 11y ago
  Sugar is the real culprit when it comes to acne.
  - brandonmenc 11y ago
    As far as I understand, sugar and carbs may worsen existing acne, but do not necessarily cause acne.
    - the_economist 11y ago
      The pathogenesis (cause) of acne is still unknown. However, you can take 80% of human beings, feed them nothing but sugar, deprive them of sunlight and sleep, and they will have acne within a week.
trowawee 11y ago
"At over 40%, the mortality rate due to cardiovascular disease (CVD) in China is amongst the highest in the world¹ and has been rightly described as an epidemic."[1] But hey, whatever makes you feel better. [1]: http://www.escardio.org/The-ESC/Press-Office/Press-releases/Last-5-years/Increasing-cardiovascular-disease-in-China-Urgent-need-for-prevention http://www.escardio.org/The-ESC/Press-Office/Press-releases/...
- the_economist 11y ago
  There is plenty of evidence that shows that eating a plant based diet wildly lowers rates of heart disease. You can also look at the reverse: Diets high in sugar lead to increased heart disease. By western diet I meant a diet of modern civilization.
  - trowawee 11y ago
    By "carrot", I meant "wombat". And literally the topic of this thread is an article discussing how small sample sizes, bad methodology, and statistical massaging/manipulation (depending on where you want to situate people on the stupid/evil continuum) mean that nutritional studies can't actually be trusted. The evidence that we have is all over the map.
    - the_economist 11y ago
      There is a huge difference between looking at nutritional studies with small sample sizes and huge populations, their diets, and the diseases they get.

Lambdanaut 11y ago

I'm curious(and skeptical), what sort of diet do you change to?

the_economist 11y ago
It's pretty extreme. No sugar, no flour, no alcohol, no refined foods in general. No cheap oils (only olive oil). And no caffeine. Basically, the diet Tom Brady eats: http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2016/01/04/meet-the-chef-who-decides-what-tom-brady-eats-and-what-definitely-doesn/gERAd0pkpmuELDZztIA56K/story.html http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2016/01/04/me...

brandonmenc 11y ago

Acne is thought to be largely genetic [1], which could explain why no one in that study had it. Anecdotally, I had cystic acne as a teen and was cured after a single cycle of Accutane. It never returned, even though I kept eating the same diet - which included a lot of dairy and a lot of fast food. [1] http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bjd.12149/abstract;jsessionid=3A9F532B7ADB09F31B44D85A25CE3811.f02t02 http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bjd.12149/abstrac...

the_economist 11y ago
Sugar is the real culprit when it comes to acne.
- brandonmenc 11y ago
  As far as I understand, sugar and carbs may worsen existing acne, but do not necessarily cause acne.
  - the_economist 11y ago
    The pathogenesis (cause) of acne is still unknown. However, you can take 80% of human beings, feed them nothing but sugar, deprive them of sunlight and sleep, and they will have acne within a week.

trowawee 11y ago

"At over 40%, the mortality rate due to cardiovascular disease (CVD) in China is amongst the highest in the world¹ and has been rightly described as an epidemic."[1] But hey, whatever makes you feel better. [1]: http://www.escardio.org/The-ESC/Press-Office/Press-releases/Last-5-years/Increasing-cardiovascular-disease-in-China-Urgent-need-for-prevention http://www.escardio.org/The-ESC/Press-Office/Press-releases/...

the_economist 11y ago
There is plenty of evidence that shows that eating a plant based diet wildly lowers rates of heart disease. You can also look at the reverse: Diets high in sugar lead to increased heart disease. By western diet I meant a diet of modern civilization.
- trowawee 11y ago
  By "carrot", I meant "wombat". And literally the topic of this thread is an article discussing how small sample sizes, bad methodology, and statistical massaging/manipulation (depending on where you want to situate people on the stupid/evil continuum) mean that nutritional studies can't actually be trusted. The evidence that we have is all over the map.
  - the_economist 11y ago
    There is a huge difference between looking at nutritional studies with small sample sizes and huge populations, their diets, and the diseases they get.