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Beaker Notebook provides a different model for working in Python and R. Instead of wrapping one language in the other, you get a notebook where cells can be ei

by spot 11y ago

Beaker Notebook provides a different model for working in Python and R. Instead of wrapping one language in the other, you get a notebook where cells can be either Python or R, fully native, and they can communicate with a shared object. The result is much simpler and more natural IMO: https://pub.beakernotebook.com/#/publications/56648fcc-2e8e-41a6-aa4a-1249ee39023c?fullscreen=true https://pub.beakernotebook.com/#/publications/56648fcc-2e8e-... Beaker has a feature "autotranslation" that converts the data between R, Python, JavaScript, Julia, Scala, Clojure, and many other languages, completely automatically. Learn more at http://BeakerNotebook.com http://BeakerNotebook.com

nipun_batra 11y ago
Very interesting! Thanks for the comment! I do see the advantages of beaker. I also see the advantages other way around :)
baldfat 11y ago
Jupyter Notebooks (Formerly IPython Notebooks) http://jupyter.org/ http://jupyter.org/ is kernel agnostic and can work with all the other languages also. I use it for R and Python myself. (For data work I still prefer RStudio or Python's Rodeo) Breaker uses the same jkernel as IPython and backend of Jupyter.
- spot 11y ago
  that's right, but Jupyter notebooks have just one language each, they don't facilitate polyglot programming.
  - captaindiego 11y ago
    Their are some "cell magics" for running different languages in individual blocks in a Jupyter notebook. I gave it a try in passing with javascript a while back and I remember there was a way to share variables through as well. You can see the available magics here: https://ipython.org/ipython-doc/3/interactive/magics.html#cellmagic-javascript https://ipython.org/ipython-doc/3/interactive/magics.html#ce... Unfortunately it looks like there is none for R or Julia, but perhaps they are installed by those specific packages, or their is some other way I don't know of.
    - IndianAstronaut 11y ago
      Cell magics are exactly what I was looking for. Much easier to do some data cleanup stuff in Python and move stats heavy stuff to R.
      - baldfat 11y ago
        RMagic for R and Python in Jupyter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StX_F_kq_C0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StX_F_kq_C0
        IndianAstronaut 11y ago
        Good video. One thing I am looking to do is call Python from an R notebook, but that doesn't seem to be happening with the magic functions.
- tianlins 11y ago
  Jupyter notebooks do support multiple languages. However, sharing objects among the languages is a whole another thing.
  - IndianAstronaut 11y ago
    The sharing objects thing seems like it would be fraught with errors and mismatches. R has a fundamentally different structuring than Python. From factors to numerics, and vectors.
    - spot 11y ago
      R's "everything is a vector" approach does introduce a wrinkle but not hard to work with once you expect it: https://pub.beakernotebook.com/#/publications/560b5722-f287-43a3-b48d-f6ab06befc8f?fullscreen=true https://pub.beakernotebook.com/#/publications/560b5722-f287-... If you can find an error in our implementation I would be happy to hear about it (ideally file an issue on github). I am not an expert in R and I don't expect autotranslation to cover every case, but I think what we have is useful, and I look forward to continuing to improve it based on community feedback. Thanks, -Scott
      - IndianAstronaut 11y ago
        I'll give this another look. Was hoping for somethings in the Jupyter notebook that didn't materialize.
codemac 11y ago
Org-Mode has a similar layout for it's org-babel stuff in emacs. So glad to see something similar that's outside of the emacs ecosystem, would love to get an org-mode exporter / importer for beaker notebooks so I can collaborate with coworkers on higher order transformations.

by spot 11y ago

nipun_batra 11y ago

Very interesting! Thanks for the comment! I do see the advantages of beaker. I also see the advantages other way around :)

baldfat 11y ago

Jupyter Notebooks (Formerly IPython Notebooks) http://jupyter.org/ http://jupyter.org/ is kernel agnostic and can work with all the other languages also. I use it for R and Python myself. (For data work I still prefer RStudio or Python's Rodeo) Breaker uses the same jkernel as IPython and backend of Jupyter.

spot 11y ago
that's right, but Jupyter notebooks have just one language each, they don't facilitate polyglot programming.
- captaindiego 11y ago
  Their are some "cell magics" for running different languages in individual blocks in a Jupyter notebook. I gave it a try in passing with javascript a while back and I remember there was a way to share variables through as well. You can see the available magics here: https://ipython.org/ipython-doc/3/interactive/magics.html#cellmagic-javascript https://ipython.org/ipython-doc/3/interactive/magics.html#ce... Unfortunately it looks like there is none for R or Julia, but perhaps they are installed by those specific packages, or their is some other way I don't know of.
  - IndianAstronaut 11y ago
    Cell magics are exactly what I was looking for. Much easier to do some data cleanup stuff in Python and move stats heavy stuff to R.
    - baldfat 11y ago
      RMagic for R and Python in Jupyter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StX_F_kq_C0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StX_F_kq_C0
      - IndianAstronaut 11y ago
        Good video. One thing I am looking to do is call Python from an R notebook, but that doesn't seem to be happening with the magic functions.
tianlins 11y ago
Jupyter notebooks do support multiple languages. However, sharing objects among the languages is a whole another thing.
- IndianAstronaut 11y ago
  The sharing objects thing seems like it would be fraught with errors and mismatches. R has a fundamentally different structuring than Python. From factors to numerics, and vectors.
  - spot 11y ago
    R's "everything is a vector" approach does introduce a wrinkle but not hard to work with once you expect it: https://pub.beakernotebook.com/#/publications/560b5722-f287-43a3-b48d-f6ab06befc8f?fullscreen=true https://pub.beakernotebook.com/#/publications/560b5722-f287-... If you can find an error in our implementation I would be happy to hear about it (ideally file an issue on github). I am not an expert in R and I don't expect autotranslation to cover every case, but I think what we have is useful, and I look forward to continuing to improve it based on community feedback. Thanks, -Scott
    - IndianAstronaut 11y ago
      I'll give this another look. Was hoping for somethings in the Jupyter notebook that didn't materialize.

codemac 11y ago

Org-Mode has a similar layout for it's org-babel stuff in emacs. So glad to see something similar that's outside of the emacs ecosystem, would love to get an org-mode exporter / importer for beaker notebooks so I can collaborate with coworkers on higher order transformations.