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Essentially NetFlix is paying their producer partners for worldwide rights, while conventional US networks only pay for US rights, and the producers sell the ot

by smackfu 11y ago

Essentially NetFlix is paying their producer partners for worldwide rights, while conventional US networks only pay for US rights, and the producers sell the other country rights separately. But I'm not sure any of the partners in the conventional setup have a reason to change. US networks don't care about worldwide rights. Producers don't care who is paying them for the rights. Other country networks like having content to license.

dasil003 11y ago
Having spent the last 8 years of my life building a streaming film company that has from day one streamed globally and dealt with this patchwork of rights issue, I can tell you one reason: Other than China and India, no other market is as big or insular as the US. In Europe people travel across borders and speak multiple languages all the time, and yet it's like pulling teeth to put together multiple regional subtitle rights for use in a country where it is not the native language. For someone to subscribe to Netflix and be able to use it in multiple countries with the subtitles of their choice consistently available is a huge benefit to a huge number of affluent users. This is something which the existing film industry is incapable of doing structurally, and therefore is a huge advantage that can only be replicated by the biggest producers (ie. major studios). And those big companies do not have product development and UX in their DNA, so they will struggle to compete with Netflix in this regard (to date only HBO shows promise). But meanwhile the Netflix experience will be so much better that they will undermine the foundations of industry. I'm reminded of how in 2007 no corporate IT department would allow employees to use iPhones, and even though Apple never explicitly addressed the enterprise market, and Microsoft bent over backwards to give corporate buyers what they wanted, at the end of the day companies which didn't allow their employees to use their iPhones for work suffered a competitive disadvantage.
- avar 11y ago
  > Other than China and India, no other market > is as big or insular as the US. Isn't Japan's market generally recognized to be even more insular than the U.S.?
  - umeshunni 11y ago
    But it is a much smaller market
- izacus 11y ago
  Well, to be fair, Netflix STILL switches subtitle language when I cross the border making me stuck with german subtitles on everything even though I'd prefer english :/
  - dasil003 11y ago
    Do you mean they literally don't make the English subs available? Even for the stuff they produced? A clunky UX is one thing, but if they legitimately restrict the sub availability where the rights are available then I'm a bit shocked.
    - te0006 11y ago
      I'm not the one you asked the question but yes, that's what they do and it is a really dumb decision. I'm German and for perfecting my passive(i.e. understanding while listening) English language skills, I really like to view movies in English _and with English subtitles_. But in Germany, Netflix only offers German subtitles when the audio is set to English. Anyone got a contact at Netflix whom to approach with this? Edit: typo
      - didsomeonesay 11y ago
        I am bothered by this too and from two friends I got these tipps (not tried it yet): One is using full VPN solution (US-based I think) and the other is just using a Canada-based DNS server. BTW the problem extends beyond subtitles. International movies typically are just available in their original language + local translation (German). Then sometimes the video stream also differs from the English version (e.g. when there is a sign in German language).
  - justusw 11y ago
    If I remember correctly, it was the same in Mexico and Scandinavia and some other countries. While there are ways to disable the subtitles through unofficial means, I doubt that they still work. It is quite possible that this is due to licensing issues. This link here https://mrgnome.wordpress.com/2013/11/02/no-option-to-turn-off-subtitles-in-netflix-how-to-solve/ https://mrgnome.wordpress.com/2013/11/02/no-option-to-turn-o... might or might not help you, given its age. In some sense it is still better than Amazon Prime in Germany with only German audio being available when I was using it last. Do you know whether the same thing happens with Netflix original content as well?

by smackfu 11y ago

dasil003 11y ago

Having spent the last 8 years of my life building a streaming film company that has from day one streamed globally and dealt with this patchwork of rights issue, I can tell you one reason: Other than China and India, no other market is as big or insular as the US. In Europe people travel across borders and speak multiple languages all the time, and yet it's like pulling teeth to put together multiple regional subtitle rights for use in a country where it is not the native language. For someone to subscribe to Netflix and be able to use it in multiple countries with the subtitles of their choice consistently available is a huge benefit to a huge number of affluent users. This is something which the existing film industry is incapable of doing structurally, and therefore is a huge advantage that can only be replicated by the biggest producers (ie. major studios). And those big companies do not have product development and UX in their DNA, so they will struggle to compete with Netflix in this regard (to date only HBO shows promise). But meanwhile the Netflix experience will be so much better that they will undermine the foundations of industry. I'm reminded of how in 2007 no corporate IT department would allow employees to use iPhones, and even though Apple never explicitly addressed the enterprise market, and Microsoft bent over backwards to give corporate buyers what they wanted, at the end of the day companies which didn't allow their employees to use their iPhones for work suffered a competitive disadvantage.

avar 11y ago
> Other than China and India, no other market > is as big or insular as the US. Isn't Japan's market generally recognized to be even more insular than the U.S.?
- umeshunni 11y ago
  But it is a much smaller market
izacus 11y ago
Well, to be fair, Netflix STILL switches subtitle language when I cross the border making me stuck with german subtitles on everything even though I'd prefer english :/
- dasil003 11y ago
  Do you mean they literally don't make the English subs available? Even for the stuff they produced? A clunky UX is one thing, but if they legitimately restrict the sub availability where the rights are available then I'm a bit shocked.
  - te0006 11y ago
    I'm not the one you asked the question but yes, that's what they do and it is a really dumb decision. I'm German and for perfecting my passive(i.e. understanding while listening) English language skills, I really like to view movies in English _and with English subtitles_. But in Germany, Netflix only offers German subtitles when the audio is set to English. Anyone got a contact at Netflix whom to approach with this? Edit: typo
    - didsomeonesay 11y ago
      I am bothered by this too and from two friends I got these tipps (not tried it yet): One is using full VPN solution (US-based I think) and the other is just using a Canada-based DNS server. BTW the problem extends beyond subtitles. International movies typically are just available in their original language + local translation (German). Then sometimes the video stream also differs from the English version (e.g. when there is a sign in German language).
- justusw 11y ago
  If I remember correctly, it was the same in Mexico and Scandinavia and some other countries. While there are ways to disable the subtitles through unofficial means, I doubt that they still work. It is quite possible that this is due to licensing issues. This link here https://mrgnome.wordpress.com/2013/11/02/no-option-to-turn-off-subtitles-in-netflix-how-to-solve/ https://mrgnome.wordpress.com/2013/11/02/no-option-to-turn-o... might or might not help you, given its age. In some sense it is still better than Amazon Prime in Germany with only German audio being available when I was using it last. Do you know whether the same thing happens with Netflix original content as well?