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If you can submit multiple lineups via scripts, how can they not detect this? Do they use multiple accounts? Or is it just a desire to look the other way by the

If you can submit multiple lineups via scripts, how can they not detect this? Do they use multiple accounts? Or is it just a desire to look the other way by the companies?

pavel_lishin 11y ago
> Or is it just a desire to look the other way by the companies? That's certainly what the article is implying: > D.F.S. high rollers similarly come with demands, and because there’s no powerful regulatory body involved, DraftKings and FanDuel have been mostly free to set the parameters of play, which, as it turns out, is near anarchy, especially for the D.F.S. elite. High rollers want to be able to use third-party computer scripts that will allow them to enter thousands of lineups at once, something that your average player cannot do. High rollers can gain access into D.F.S.’s inner circle, in which they get to be on first-name, texting basis with executives and employees at DraftKings and FanDuel. They can operate under the cover of plausible deniability — if other players complain that the high roller has been using tools that destroy competitive balance, he might expect the sites to stick up for him.
mattmaroon 11y ago
It'd be a game of cat and mouse. They would simply start multiple accounts, start using proxies, different computers, etc. Poker had this problem online. It was a bigger problem for poker though because in DFS, there's no real edge from multi-accounting. You don't get extra information like you do in poker. It's just that a sucker in DFS is getting raked that much more. It does threaten the long-term viability of the game though. Newbies are going to come in, get fleeced, and quit. We need actual legal sports gambling.
- omni 11y ago
  How do you keep getting paid in a system like this though? It seems to me like it'd be a lot easier to come up with 100 FanDuel accounts than 100 bank accounts, mailing addresses, credit card numbers, etc. to get paid with.
  - mattmaroon 11y ago
    What I used to do when bonus abusing online casinos (not poker) is get people to sign a limited power of attorney form and give me a copy of their ID, for a small fee. I would photoshop fake addresses into utility bills as address verification. I would then buy in and cash out to a method that allowed some form of transfer. Back then it was PayPal or Neteller. I am not as familiar with DFS, but I am sure it is doable, and there is enough money on the line to make it worth doing.
mesozoic 11y ago
Draftkings specifically allows this.
rconti 11y ago
It's a bit of everything. For one, it's a website. How do they detect legitimate traffic vs scripted traffic? There would be countless ways to hide the fact that the traffic is scripted. Think about most sites -- they're barely able to keep the things running, let alone add on an additional huge workload of fraud detection... .... Especially when the fraud benefits them!

If you can submit multiple lineups via scripts, how can they not detect this? Do they use multiple accounts? Or is it just a desire to look the other way by the companies?

pavel_lishin 11y ago

> Or is it just a desire to look the other way by the companies? That's certainly what the article is implying: > D.F.S. high rollers similarly come with demands, and because there’s no powerful regulatory body involved, DraftKings and FanDuel have been mostly free to set the parameters of play, which, as it turns out, is near anarchy, especially for the D.F.S. elite. High rollers want to be able to use third-party computer scripts that will allow them to enter thousands of lineups at once, something that your average player cannot do. High rollers can gain access into D.F.S.’s inner circle, in which they get to be on first-name, texting basis with executives and employees at DraftKings and FanDuel. They can operate under the cover of plausible deniability — if other players complain that the high roller has been using tools that destroy competitive balance, he might expect the sites to stick up for him.

mattmaroon 11y ago

It'd be a game of cat and mouse. They would simply start multiple accounts, start using proxies, different computers, etc. Poker had this problem online. It was a bigger problem for poker though because in DFS, there's no real edge from multi-accounting. You don't get extra information like you do in poker. It's just that a sucker in DFS is getting raked that much more. It does threaten the long-term viability of the game though. Newbies are going to come in, get fleeced, and quit. We need actual legal sports gambling.

omni 11y ago
How do you keep getting paid in a system like this though? It seems to me like it'd be a lot easier to come up with 100 FanDuel accounts than 100 bank accounts, mailing addresses, credit card numbers, etc. to get paid with.
- mattmaroon 11y ago
  What I used to do when bonus abusing online casinos (not poker) is get people to sign a limited power of attorney form and give me a copy of their ID, for a small fee. I would photoshop fake addresses into utility bills as address verification. I would then buy in and cash out to a method that allowed some form of transfer. Back then it was PayPal or Neteller. I am not as familiar with DFS, but I am sure it is doable, and there is enough money on the line to make it worth doing.

mesozoic 11y ago

Draftkings specifically allows this.

rconti 11y ago

It's a bit of everything. For one, it's a website. How do they detect legitimate traffic vs scripted traffic? There would be countless ways to hide the fact that the traffic is scripted. Think about most sites -- they're barely able to keep the things running, let alone add on an additional huge workload of fraud detection... .... Especially when the fraud benefits them!