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> I don't need to 'cite' what I can see with my own eyes from the stats of my payment services provider You could be a liar, idiot, troll, or just really love

by serge2k 11y ago

> I don't need to 'cite' what I can see with my own eyes from the stats of my payment services provider You could be a liar, idiot, troll, or just really love IE. Why would anyone take your word for it.

jacquesm 11y ago
> You could be a liar, idiot, troll, or just really love IE. You omitted the possibility that I might be right, am not an idiot, am not prone to either lying or trolling and absolutely detest IE (and have not used windows for a really very long time). > Why would anyone take your word for it. Please don't. Ignore me and whatever I write here on the off chance that there is a grain of truth in it and that it will make you money. Forgive me if I did not anticipate the Spanish inquisition demanding proof for something that to me simply makes good sense. Feel free to offend your users, to limit your products to function only with the latest browsers and to spend your marketing money to attract people that can then not use your product.
- pvelagal 11y ago
  You are right. As much as people love to hate IE7/8 etc, they still help make a lot of money. (millions of $)
  - vdaniuk 11y ago
    This applies only for a diminishingly small amount of large corporations and is not applicable to absolute majority of HN startups/bootstraps/side projects.
    - jacquesm 11y ago
      Bootstrappers (when they are small) and side projects can ignore the smaller percentages because they are still validating their concepts. For side projects this goes even more because they are usually not commercial in nature. Why would it have to be applicable to the 'absolute majority of HN startups/bootstraps/side projects' to be useful information?
- vdaniuk 11y ago
  As someone who has taught himself development after more than ten years in entrepreneurship, marketing, advertising and strategy, I find you arguments too simplistic, with no regard to strategic tradeoffs. A successful business needs to be able to "fire" some of its clients to gain competitive advantage or increase operational efficiency. And sometimes those clients are users with old browsers. Branding a request for proofs to general, overarching statements as personal prosecution (Spanish inquisition, really?) is a sign of discourse grounded in ideology, not practical considerations.
  - jacquesm 11y ago
    This is a forum, not a scientific paper. If you want to have everything cited and backed up by independent review by peers and so on I suggest you communicate by paper only, this is a discussion forum and as such I'm not required to provide you or anybody else for that matter with whatever they demand. I'm not exactly on your payroll. If you choose to interpret that as ideologically grounded discourse then I think that says a lot more about you than it does about me.
tothepixel 11y ago
I can speak to the fact that on the ecommerce site I work, only 1-2% of users are on older IE, but they account for many thousands of dollars of sales.
- pvelagal 11y ago
  Well, i know of sites that still support IE7, IE8 and the revenues from those users are in millions.

by serge2k 11y ago

jacquesm 11y ago

> You could be a liar, idiot, troll, or just really love IE. You omitted the possibility that I might be right, am not an idiot, am not prone to either lying or trolling and absolutely detest IE (and have not used windows for a really very long time). > Why would anyone take your word for it. Please don't. Ignore me and whatever I write here on the off chance that there is a grain of truth in it and that it will make you money. Forgive me if I did not anticipate the Spanish inquisition demanding proof for something that to me simply makes good sense. Feel free to offend your users, to limit your products to function only with the latest browsers and to spend your marketing money to attract people that can then not use your product.

pvelagal 11y ago
You are right. As much as people love to hate IE7/8 etc, they still help make a lot of money. (millions of $)
- vdaniuk 11y ago
  This applies only for a diminishingly small amount of large corporations and is not applicable to absolute majority of HN startups/bootstraps/side projects.
  - jacquesm 11y ago
    Bootstrappers (when they are small) and side projects can ignore the smaller percentages because they are still validating their concepts. For side projects this goes even more because they are usually not commercial in nature. Why would it have to be applicable to the 'absolute majority of HN startups/bootstraps/side projects' to be useful information?
vdaniuk 11y ago
As someone who has taught himself development after more than ten years in entrepreneurship, marketing, advertising and strategy, I find you arguments too simplistic, with no regard to strategic tradeoffs. A successful business needs to be able to "fire" some of its clients to gain competitive advantage or increase operational efficiency. And sometimes those clients are users with old browsers. Branding a request for proofs to general, overarching statements as personal prosecution (Spanish inquisition, really?) is a sign of discourse grounded in ideology, not practical considerations.
- jacquesm 11y ago
  This is a forum, not a scientific paper. If you want to have everything cited and backed up by independent review by peers and so on I suggest you communicate by paper only, this is a discussion forum and as such I'm not required to provide you or anybody else for that matter with whatever they demand. I'm not exactly on your payroll. If you choose to interpret that as ideologically grounded discourse then I think that says a lot more about you than it does about me.

tothepixel 11y ago

I can speak to the fact that on the ecommerce site I work, only 1-2% of users are on older IE, but they account for many thousands of dollars of sales.

pvelagal 11y ago
Well, i know of sites that still support IE7, IE8 and the revenues from those users are in millions.