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Going to have to pass on $599. More than I was expecting.

interdrift 11y ago
I can't access the page, is this the official price? Was expecting something around the 400$-450$ range. This costs as much as a full blown PC.
- strictnein 11y ago
  Yep. And that's a subsidized price too, according to Palmer. https://twitter.com/PalmerLuckey/status/684511706677030912 https://twitter.com/PalmerLuckey/status/684511706677030912
- Lan 11y ago
  $599.00 is the official price before tax and shipping.
- tetraodonpuffer 11y ago
  a 599 PC is not going to have a GPU strong enough to give you any decent VR, 599 is about the starting point for the GPU only, I would honestly not go with anything less than a 980ti for a minimum of future-proofing, and unless you already have one I would wait for a Pascal card, which in any case will cost at least that much. in VR dropping frames / latency directly maps to motion sickness, so it's not a case of "eh, I can deal with the framerate not being super solid" like it can be on normal gaming. This costs less than some flagship cellphones, 599 is definitely not that much all things considered.
  - schwap 11y ago
    > in VR dropping frames / latency directly maps to motion sickness, so it's not a case of "eh, I can deal with the framerate not being super solid" like it can be on normal gaming. Do you have any articles/papers about this? I'm not doubting you, just curious!
    - tetraodonpuffer 11y ago
      don't have any papers specifically about the correlation between framerate / judder and sickness but this older article has some information http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/abrash/down-the-vr-rabbit-hole-fixing-judder/ http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/abrash/down-the-vr-rabbit-hol... as somebody who has major issues with their inner ear I can guarantee that you really do NOT want to get vertigo if you can at all help it
- AndrewKemendo 11y ago
  This costs as much as a full blown PC. Except you'll also need a killer desktop PC that can run it [1]: - NVIDIA GTX 970 / AMD 290 equivalent or greater - Intel i5-4590 equivalent or greater - 8GB+ RAM - Compatible HDMI 1.3 video output - 2x USB 3.0 ports - Windows 7 SP1 or newer The Oculus Touch is stated to need 4 USB ports [2], not just two, so better plan for that as well So in total you are probably looking at close to $2,000 [3] to use the Rift not including whatever games or applications cost - of which there are not yet a lot of titles (I'm sure that will change in short order though). [1]http://www.pcgamer.com/oculus-rift-pc-requirements-revealed/ http://www.pcgamer.com/oculus-rift-pc-requirements-revealed/ [2]http://www.techtimes.com/articles/118068/20151219/excited-for-oculus-rift-youll-need-at-least-four-usb-ports.htm http://www.techtimes.com/articles/118068/20151219/excited-fo... [3]https://www.oculus.com/en-us/oculus-ready-pcs/ https://www.oculus.com/en-us/oculus-ready-pcs/
  - pc86 11y ago
    My (older) home PC pretty much hits the minimum (GTX 970 and the 4590 processor, but 16GB RAM). Honestly I couldn't tell you how many USB ports it has, I only use two. Looks like I'll be holding off consideration until I upgrade :)
    - AndrewKemendo 11y ago
      I think you're in a minority, even among PC builders.
  - strictnein 11y ago
    Kind of like saying to buy a car you need a $300k house with a garage, when in fact many of the people buying a car already have a house with a garage. That's also not a "killer" desktop. The 290 is a a 2.5 year old card. The GTX 970 is equivalent to a 680 or 780. The 680 came out almost four years ago. If you had no computer at all, you could build that system for ~$700 - $750 ($200 CPU, $100 Mobo, $200 Used GPU, $50 RAM, $75 SSD, $100 Tower+PSU). But that's immaterial, as most early buyers of the Rift have hardware that meets the requirements above. And four USB ports? A $10-$20 powered USB hub solves that. Wouldn't surprise me if it came with one.
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StavrosK 11y ago
Plus $400 for the recommended graphics card :/
errnoh 11y ago
Seems to be €699 in Europe ($750) (edit: This price does not include shipping.)
- Strom 11y ago
  That price includes VAT. According to google 599 USD is 557 EUR. Add VAT to that, e.g. Finnish 24%, and you get 691 EUR. Not that far from the 699 EUR listed price.
  - MagnumOpus 11y ago
    You don't add Finnish 24% VAT but the VAT of the country where the EU branch of the company is based - most likely Luxembourg with its 15% VAT rate. (All Amazon deliveries to the Eurozone come from Amazon EU SARL in Luxembourg, for instance). Which means the fair price would be EUR 640, almost 10% lower.
    - Strom 11y ago
      VAT is based on the buyer's country for digital goods/services [1], and in other cases (such as this) if the sales exceed 100 000 EUR per year. [2][3] In some countries, like Finland, the limit is even lower at 35 000 EUR per year. [4] So if Oculus expects to sell more than 50 copies of the Rift to Finland, it will have to pay the Finnish VAT. Also, Luxembourg's VAT is 17% nowadays. [5] [1] https://kdp.amazon.com/help?topicId=A30464Q6OVH578 https://kdp.amazon.com/help?topicId=A30464Q6OVH578 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_value_added_tax#Distance_sales https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_value_added_tax... [3] https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-what-to-do-if-youre-an-overseas-business-selling-goods-in-the-uk https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-what-to-do-if-youre-an-overs... [4] http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/resources/documents/taxation/vat/traders/vat_community/vat_in_ec_annexi.pdf http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/resources/documents/tax... [5] http://www.vatlive.com/european-news/luxembourg-vat-rise-17-2015/ http://www.vatlive.com/european-news/luxembourg-vat-rise-17-...
    - TulliusCicero 11y ago
      Have to also account for labor costs being higher in Europe, I'd bet.
thenomad 11y ago
UK cost is £530 including shipping and VAT (I presume).
- ionised 11y ago
  Yeah it is. I was going to preorder one but that's £100-£150 too much for me to justify spending on it for now to be honest. Perhaps after the first reviews and supported games start to arrive I'll reconsider.
andrewstuart2 11y ago
I thought I had heard in the $200-$300 range expected for the final product. I'd jump at the lower end of that range, but there's no way I'm paying $600.
reitanqild 11y ago
Web site says USD 59900 on Firefox mobile. Edit: and on Chrome mobile
superfx 11y ago
I actually tried ordering but their website is not really working right now. Both credit cards and paypal seem not to work.
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- alexcp_ 11y ago
  High-end gaming monitors can go for about half the price see this benq monitor for example http://gaming.benq.com/gaming-monitor/xl2411z http://gaming.benq.com/gaming-monitor/xl2411z.
  - swang 11y ago
    Eh, 24 inches, no *-sync, 144hz refresh, 1080p, 1ms "grey-to-grey", and it's TN not IPS. More on the high-end is Acer Predator X34: [0] 34" cinema 21:9, g-sync, 100hz refresh, 1440p, and IPS (also full 100% sRGB coverage). This thing retails for ~$1300 and is sold-out almost everywhere. [0] http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/predator-x34-series http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/predator-x34-series
    - lifeformed 11y ago
      120hz+ is super important for pro gaming, much more than the other stats. 100hz is pretty good already though.
      - swang 11y ago
        If we're talking pro-gamers, they probably don't want a 34 21:9 cinema display either. While I haven't tried it, I'm guessing g-sync @ 100hz makes having a insane refresh rate unnecessary. But at $300-400, I'm guessing most progamers will go with the minimum necessary to get their frame rate optimal.
      - gknoy 11y ago
        Why is 100+hz so important?
        Strom 11y ago
        In reflex based games, given two otherwise equal setups with players having equal reflexes, the one who gets the stimulus first due to higher refresh rate will win. The standard 60 Hz means new data is sent every 17ms. With 144 Hz you cut it down to 7ms. With equal reflexes, the player who receives the stimulus 10ms earlier will execute the necessary actions 10ms earlier. In practice no two players are that equal, but it's still beneficial to accumulate every advantage you can.
akhilcacharya 11y ago
I was in for a $350 price poiny, but $600 is pushing it, given I'd need to buy a new PSU and GPU to use it.
georgemcbay 11y ago
Ditto. $600 is well outside of the impulse buy range for me that this would have had to be priced at ($350 would be an automatic buy, $400 I'd consider, $600 no), and I bought a DK1 (though through Oculus, not through Kickstarter) and have a pretty substantial amount of expendable spending money. It is interesting to me that the first impulse of so many people in this thread is to try to logically justify the price in the face of people saying they won't buy it -- I'm not saying those people are wrong when comparing the price to a high end monitor or graphics cards, it just isn't relevant to whether or not I'm willing to buy this at $600. My decision not to buy this doesn't mean I don't think the device is worth the money being asked for everyone, nor do I think Oculus/FB is wrong for pricing it thusly, it is just more than I am personally willing to pay for something that is a fairly niche novelty at this point. At the current asking price it is very easy for me to justify waiting until gen 2 or gen 3 when things are much cheaper and there's even more support out there.

I can't access the page, is this the official price? Was expecting something around the 400$-450$ range. This costs as much as a full blown PC.

strictnein 11y ago
Yep. And that's a subsidized price too, according to Palmer. https://twitter.com/PalmerLuckey/status/684511706677030912 https://twitter.com/PalmerLuckey/status/684511706677030912
Lan 11y ago
$599.00 is the official price before tax and shipping.
tetraodonpuffer 11y ago
a 599 PC is not going to have a GPU strong enough to give you any decent VR, 599 is about the starting point for the GPU only, I would honestly not go with anything less than a 980ti for a minimum of future-proofing, and unless you already have one I would wait for a Pascal card, which in any case will cost at least that much. in VR dropping frames / latency directly maps to motion sickness, so it's not a case of "eh, I can deal with the framerate not being super solid" like it can be on normal gaming. This costs less than some flagship cellphones, 599 is definitely not that much all things considered.
- schwap 11y ago
  > in VR dropping frames / latency directly maps to motion sickness, so it's not a case of "eh, I can deal with the framerate not being super solid" like it can be on normal gaming. Do you have any articles/papers about this? I'm not doubting you, just curious!
  - tetraodonpuffer 11y ago
    don't have any papers specifically about the correlation between framerate / judder and sickness but this older article has some information http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/abrash/down-the-vr-rabbit-hole-fixing-judder/ http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/abrash/down-the-vr-rabbit-hol... as somebody who has major issues with their inner ear I can guarantee that you really do NOT want to get vertigo if you can at all help it
AndrewKemendo 11y ago
This costs as much as a full blown PC. Except you'll also need a killer desktop PC that can run it [1]: - NVIDIA GTX 970 / AMD 290 equivalent or greater - Intel i5-4590 equivalent or greater - 8GB+ RAM - Compatible HDMI 1.3 video output - 2x USB 3.0 ports - Windows 7 SP1 or newer The Oculus Touch is stated to need 4 USB ports [2], not just two, so better plan for that as well So in total you are probably looking at close to $2,000 [3] to use the Rift not including whatever games or applications cost - of which there are not yet a lot of titles (I'm sure that will change in short order though). [1]http://www.pcgamer.com/oculus-rift-pc-requirements-revealed/ http://www.pcgamer.com/oculus-rift-pc-requirements-revealed/ [2]http://www.techtimes.com/articles/118068/20151219/excited-for-oculus-rift-youll-need-at-least-four-usb-ports.htm http://www.techtimes.com/articles/118068/20151219/excited-fo... [3]https://www.oculus.com/en-us/oculus-ready-pcs/ https://www.oculus.com/en-us/oculus-ready-pcs/
- pc86 11y ago
  My (older) home PC pretty much hits the minimum (GTX 970 and the 4590 processor, but 16GB RAM). Honestly I couldn't tell you how many USB ports it has, I only use two. Looks like I'll be holding off consideration until I upgrade :)
  - AndrewKemendo 11y ago
    I think you're in a minority, even among PC builders.
- strictnein 11y ago
  Kind of like saying to buy a car you need a $300k house with a garage, when in fact many of the people buying a car already have a house with a garage. That's also not a "killer" desktop. The 290 is a a 2.5 year old card. The GTX 970 is equivalent to a 680 or 780. The 680 came out almost four years ago. If you had no computer at all, you could build that system for ~$700 - $750 ($200 CPU, $100 Mobo, $200 Used GPU, $50 RAM, $75 SSD, $100 Tower+PSU). But that's immaterial, as most early buyers of the Rift have hardware that meets the requirements above. And four USB ports? A $10-$20 powered USB hub solves that. Wouldn't surprise me if it came with one.
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StavrosK 11y ago

Plus $400 for the recommended graphics card :/

errnoh 11y ago

Seems to be €699 in Europe ($750) (edit: This price does not include shipping.)

Strom 11y ago
That price includes VAT. According to google 599 USD is 557 EUR. Add VAT to that, e.g. Finnish 24%, and you get 691 EUR. Not that far from the 699 EUR listed price.
- MagnumOpus 11y ago
  You don't add Finnish 24% VAT but the VAT of the country where the EU branch of the company is based - most likely Luxembourg with its 15% VAT rate. (All Amazon deliveries to the Eurozone come from Amazon EU SARL in Luxembourg, for instance). Which means the fair price would be EUR 640, almost 10% lower.
  - Strom 11y ago
    VAT is based on the buyer's country for digital goods/services [1], and in other cases (such as this) if the sales exceed 100 000 EUR per year. [2][3] In some countries, like Finland, the limit is even lower at 35 000 EUR per year. [4] So if Oculus expects to sell more than 50 copies of the Rift to Finland, it will have to pay the Finnish VAT. Also, Luxembourg's VAT is 17% nowadays. [5] [1] https://kdp.amazon.com/help?topicId=A30464Q6OVH578 https://kdp.amazon.com/help?topicId=A30464Q6OVH578 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_value_added_tax#Distance_sales https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_value_added_tax... [3] https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-what-to-do-if-youre-an-overseas-business-selling-goods-in-the-uk https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-what-to-do-if-youre-an-overs... [4] http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/resources/documents/taxation/vat/traders/vat_community/vat_in_ec_annexi.pdf http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/resources/documents/tax... [5] http://www.vatlive.com/european-news/luxembourg-vat-rise-17-2015/ http://www.vatlive.com/european-news/luxembourg-vat-rise-17-...
  - TulliusCicero 11y ago
    Have to also account for labor costs being higher in Europe, I'd bet.

thenomad 11y ago

UK cost is £530 including shipping and VAT (I presume).

ionised 11y ago
Yeah it is. I was going to preorder one but that's £100-£150 too much for me to justify spending on it for now to be honest. Perhaps after the first reviews and supported games start to arrive I'll reconsider.

andrewstuart2 11y ago

I thought I had heard in the $200-$300 range expected for the final product. I'd jump at the lower end of that range, but there's no way I'm paying $600.

reitanqild 11y ago

Web site says USD 59900 on Firefox mobile. Edit: and on Chrome mobile

superfx 11y ago

I actually tried ordering but their website is not really working right now. Both credit cards and paypal seem not to work.

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alexcp_ 11y ago
High-end gaming monitors can go for about half the price see this benq monitor for example http://gaming.benq.com/gaming-monitor/xl2411z http://gaming.benq.com/gaming-monitor/xl2411z.
- swang 11y ago
  Eh, 24 inches, no *-sync, 144hz refresh, 1080p, 1ms "grey-to-grey", and it's TN not IPS. More on the high-end is Acer Predator X34: [0] 34" cinema 21:9, g-sync, 100hz refresh, 1440p, and IPS (also full 100% sRGB coverage). This thing retails for ~$1300 and is sold-out almost everywhere. [0] http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/predator-x34-series http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/predator-x34-series
  - lifeformed 11y ago
    120hz+ is super important for pro gaming, much more than the other stats. 100hz is pretty good already though.
    - swang 11y ago
      If we're talking pro-gamers, they probably don't want a 34 21:9 cinema display either. While I haven't tried it, I'm guessing g-sync @ 100hz makes having a insane refresh rate unnecessary. But at $300-400, I'm guessing most progamers will go with the minimum necessary to get their frame rate optimal.
    - gknoy 11y ago
      Why is 100+hz so important?
      - Strom 11y ago
        In reflex based games, given two otherwise equal setups with players having equal reflexes, the one who gets the stimulus first due to higher refresh rate will win. The standard 60 Hz means new data is sent every 17ms. With 144 Hz you cut it down to 7ms. With equal reflexes, the player who receives the stimulus 10ms earlier will execute the necessary actions 10ms earlier. In practice no two players are that equal, but it's still beneficial to accumulate every advantage you can.

akhilcacharya 11y ago

I was in for a $350 price poiny, but $600 is pushing it, given I'd need to buy a new PSU and GPU to use it.

georgemcbay 11y ago

Ditto. $600 is well outside of the impulse buy range for me that this would have had to be priced at ($350 would be an automatic buy, $400 I'd consider, $600 no), and I bought a DK1 (though through Oculus, not through Kickstarter) and have a pretty substantial amount of expendable spending money. It is interesting to me that the first impulse of so many people in this thread is to try to logically justify the price in the face of people saying they won't buy it -- I'm not saying those people are wrong when comparing the price to a high end monitor or graphics cards, it just isn't relevant to whether or not I'm willing to buy this at $600. My decision not to buy this doesn't mean I don't think the device is worth the money being asked for everyone, nor do I think Oculus/FB is wrong for pricing it thusly, it is just more than I am personally willing to pay for something that is a fairly niche novelty at this point. At the current asking price it is very easy for me to justify waiting until gen 2 or gen 3 when things are much cheaper and there's even more support out there.